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Keep back your servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me! Ps 19:13.
Can anyone explain this verse?
My idea....the way some people take it upon themselves to tell others how to live and how others must worship..DO NOT LET THEM HAVE DOMINION OVER ME, PLEASE God, save me from your followers!
Sin nature and presumptuous sin. Sin nature is an selfish instinct which we all suffer from.... children are our best example. Two kids one toy... well you know what happens, most of the time.
Presumptuous sin is with forbearance of thought or Intended sin. It is the act of defiance against God and man. I suspect presumptuous sin is from pride and arrogance.
Think of someone being wrong... or a liar. Wrong is bad information or being incorrect, but a liar knows the truth, and has knowledge.
Even murder can be from a careless unintended act or a heinousness act...
Keep back your servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me! Ps 19:13.
Can anyone explain this verse?
13.Who understands errors? Cleanse me of hidden [sins].
Rashi's Commentary:
Who understands errors?: I was careful with them but it is impossible to be so careful that one does not err in them, and You cleanse me of hidden sins, which were hidden from me; of which I was unaware when I sinned inadvertently.
14.Also withhold Your servant from willful sins; let them not rule over me; then I will be perfect and I will be cleansed of much transgression.
Rashi's Commentary:
Also… from willful sins: Heb. מזדים, from willful sins.
then I will be perfect: Heb. איתם will be perfect. The Sages said (Mid. Ps. 19:17, Lev. Rabbah 5:8): To what can David be compared? To a Cuthite who goes from door to door, and they are more cunning in this matter than any other people. “Give me a drink of water,” something that costs no money. After drinking, he says, “Perhaps you have a small onion?” After he gives it to him, he says, “Is there an onion without salt?” After he gives it to him, he says, “Give me a little bread, so that the onion does not harm me.” So did David say at first concerning the inadvertent sins, and then concerning the willful sins, and afterwards concerning the rebellious sins. פשעים are rebellious sins, with which one intends to provoke, and so Scripture says (II Kings 3:7): “The king of Moab rebelled (פשע) against me.”
For me, the scripture (taken out of context, meaning, I'm not sure what surrounds that part of the Psalms) it brings to mind the word 'Concupiscence' - that innate leaning all humans have towards selfish desires which can be just about anything, even the desire to be seen doing good, for example. I'm not sure why the word lust usually gets immediately associated with sex since there are any number of things we can lust for at any given moment. Maybe because this is a type of lust that many people have a problem with.
Sin nature and presumptuous sin. Sin nature is an selfish instinct which we all suffer from.... children are our best example. Two kids one toy... well you know what happens, most of the time.
Presumptuous sin is with forbearance of thought or Intended sin. It is the act of defiance against God and man. I suspect presumptuous sin is from pride and arrogance.
Think of someone being wrong... or a liar. Wrong is bad information or being incorrect, but a liar knows the truth, and has knowledge.
Even murder can be from a careless unintended act or a heinousness act...
Well said, Dave. We really do have a never ending struggle within. It gets tiring, this wrestling match.
For me, the scripture (taken out of context, meaning, I'm not sure what surrounds that part of the Psalms) it brings to mind the word 'Concupiscence' - that innate leaning all humans have towards selfish desires which can be just about anything, even the desire to be seen doing good, for example. I'm not sure why the word lust usually gets immediately associated with sex since there are any number of things we can lust for at any given moment. Maybe because this is a type of lust that many people have a problem with.
I agree with you. Lust does come in many forms. For example, here in the USA, businesses and corporations have brainwashed us to believe that we gotta buy the newest car, electronic, fashion even when we don't need a new car, electric or outfit. We've been lured into thinking that as long as we get it now, and pay for it later, then that's the good American capitalist way, even though the median American income is about $50,000 a year. Those of us who know better have become content with less, and not idolize things that have a brand name on them.
Presumptuous sin is self destructive, and I thank God for revealing this to me in bible study.
Do you think that presumptuous sins arise from carelessness with God and God's Word, and carelessness with the needs of others?
We can also be LURED into these sins by the willful disobedience of others. This is where I see the depravity of our society becoming ever more rebellious against God. You turn on the tv and you hear people say things like, "I am living for me." Regardless of the fact that this "living for me" mindset could and does go against God's holiness.
When good has become evil and evil has become good today, all I can say is God help us.
I would say this use is slightly different than other uses since this is the only time this particular word occurs in the Bible where it is obviously willful in context. Not sure why they chose presumptuous rather than proud or arrogant. I didn't read the surrounding verses so I'm not going to say willful or not.
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