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Old 06-17-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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The dietary laws werent even the topic of discussion at that time. It would make no sense to say since whatever goes in you cant defile you, its okay to eat a rat now. The way I look at it, God gave a list of what he considered to be food because he created us and knows what is best for us. Im trying my best to leave pork & shrimp alone, but its been hard giving it up completely considering I ate it growing up. But I barley ever eat it now. I dont think anyone is going to hell for eating some ribs or shrimp fried rice, but some extremist out there think that way.
No one is going to hell for shrimp fried rice.

In fact I agree with your take concerning following as much of the laws as possible. As I believe those laws reveal what God likes and dislikes. However, for today - salvation is about grace and faith.
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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Yes he was an apostle, not the Messiah or King, but of you look at most of the disagreements on the threads it usually comes down to what Jesus taught vs what Paul taught, even thought they both believed and taught the same thing.
The problem is not with Paul or are we to say that Jesus made a mistake?

The problem is with men, who do not pray enough or wait on the Spirit enough but rather listen to the teachings of men who have and still do the same things.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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The problem is not with Paul or are we to say that Jesus made a mistake?

The problem is with men, who do not pray enough or wait on the Spirit enough but rather listen to the teachings of men who have and still do the same things.
Since we both spirit and flesh we need both. Yes the flesh is strong and we would probably prefer a email or a sermon over fasting and prayer. I believe all/most would prefer the spirit to rule but one must know how to be open to God's spirit. It takes praying and practice. There are good men who help others to find their way by teaching and talking about the good news.

Keep in mind it's easy to see the failings of those through our strengths. Milk is OK for those who still struggle but I agree, with fervent prayer and support (others), many will find the Spirit of God to be a comfort.
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:49 PM
 
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The problem is not with Paul or are we to say that Jesus made a mistake?

The problem is with men, who do not pray enough or wait on the Spirit enough but rather listen to the teachings of men who have and still do the same things.
Was Paul not a man?
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Old 06-17-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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Paul is used to discard much of Jesus teachings whether its in regards to the Sabbath , Holy Days, eating unclean foods, that your works dont matter, OSAS, Jesus second coming and more.

If a teaching of Jesus is brought up, the first response is usually, But Paul said XYZ.

Jesus was the messiah, the son of God, was raised from the dead, will return to rule as king, and was given all power to rule, not Paul. The teaching of Paul should never overrule the teachings of Jesus.
Why the false dichotomy? Paul was personally taught by Jesus.
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Old 06-17-2015, 05:19 PM
 
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Why the false dichotomy? Paul was personally taught by Jesus.
According to Paul. Not what most people would call a real convincing witness?
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:12 AM
 
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Why the false dichotomy? Paul was personally taught by Jesus.
Yes i agree Paul was taught by him, but his teachings are usually twisted to conflict the words of Jesus many times.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:42 AM
 
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Paul is used to discard much of Jesus teachings whether its in regards to the Sabbath , Holy Days, eating unclean foods, that your works dont matter, OSAS, Jesus second coming and more.

If a teaching of Jesus is brought up, the first response is usually, But Paul said XYZ.

Jesus was the messiah, the son of God, was raised from the dead, will return to rule as king, and was given all power to rule, not Paul. The teaching of Paul should never overrule the teachings of Jesus.
Our dear brother Paulos' teachings do not make our Lord word's empty, but people's who do not follow our Lord Joshia in pure heart, use his word against the truth, because his letters are, some times difficult kind of to understand, and this gives the space to bend his word to all kind of false doctrines.

15. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; 16. as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15-16)
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Old 06-19-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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Our dear brother Paulos' teachings do not make our Lord word's empty, but people's who do not follow our Lord Joshia in pure heart, use his word against the truth, because his letters are, some times difficult kind of to understand, and this gives the space to bend his word to all kind of false doctrines.

15. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; 16. as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15-16)
Those are wonderful affirmations from Peter. Hard to be understood... I believe it's grace.

Since the dawn of salvation we all struggle with grace... how it works , why it's there and how do we get it. Grace given, to the least deserving, is nearly impossible to do... and yet we need this very thing we do not understand.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:13 PM
 
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Those are wonderful affirmations from Peter. Hard to be understood... I believe it's grace.

Since the dawn of salvation we all struggle with grace... how it works , why it's there and how do we get it. Grace given, to the least deserving, is nearly impossible to do... and yet we need this very thing we do not understand.
It's okay to believe whoever authored 2nd Peter, except the majority of biblical scholars maintain it wasn't Peter. It underwent more questioning and doubts from early church fathers than any letter in the NT. It was the last letter to gain acceptance into the canon.

It's as easy to check superficially as looking at Wikipedia. But there are some quite good textual critic essays/commentaries that detail the multitude of problems with accepting the name somebody placed at the top of that particular letter. Incidentally, those questions do not arise with 1st Peter.
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