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Agreed, church people even many times think it is the one unforgiveable sin... Yikes
This tending to make them seem as if they worship heterosexuality as their god, even though they then turn around and restriuct heterosexual seuxuality. This church rule makes their women happy and more secure, thinking their man cant wander left or right...the men get frustrated, drink and follow sports... and the church people get their money for their pleasure, which is non working clergy (not all but the majority..IMO)
Most agnostics, atheists you will find out have rejected Churchianity and their sexual prohibitions, so turn against the Lord, who did not dictate these church rules and laws... and did not establish the church systems......How sad...
Nah, thats going to far..... Adam named the animals and saw they had male and female for reproductivity ...and of course the Lord created science, reproductivity, sex, genetics etc etc... and man and animal do not reproduce nicely, as when woman accepted the bad seed of animalistic bestial Satan... and Yes, then that produced a vile seed that the Lord had to extinquish in the FLOOD.
Man was alone and seeing we need each other for reproduction, the Lord gave us an equal counterpart called Eve...with abody according to the design of the Holy Spirit which was female.
Then man had a help meat...IYWKIM and you should if an adult.
I honestly don't care. God made us male and female. That's it--2 genders. He commanded us to abide in his will, and to do his commands regardless of the temptations we might have. The fact that you, who claim to be a reverend, believe that God's will is subject to whatever misguided sexuality one might live, is sad.
Wow! Who created the LGBTQ people if not God? You do realize that in the world there are nearly double the number of LGBTQ people as there are natural redheads? Are redheads unnatural as well, seeing as they only have half the number that homosexuals do? What about a redheaded lesbian or gay? Really a small number. You god is only involved in the creation of "LARGER" numbers?
Other stupid, literally stupid beliefs of fundamentalists:
Being LGBTQ is "unnatural" despite the evidence of homosexuality in numerous species of fish, animals, birds, and even insects.
Hating the LGBTQ community has nothing to do with the fundamentalist's view of them. The Bible says it and therefore God is to blame. (sort of like the commands to kill every man, woman, and child--the fundamentalist calls that okay for "god" but knows in his own heart any kind of genocide is wrong---or maybe they don't know that)
Even though the fundamentalist may not call for the killing (by the government) of gay people (a hypocrisy in that they otherwise believe LGBTQ people are an abomination), they still empower the worst of their own kind to think that such is biblical. Below are a few links to the people they support with tacit agreement that gays are anti-god.
Fact is Baptist, that is how every moderate sees you, wonderful witness to Jesus that you are .
If you refuse to be a part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
Fundamentalism always is a part of the problem--and it is a personal psychological problem as well:
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What’s important here is the notion that ‘delusion’ means ‘not real’. It’s a false belief, fixed, and not correctable, yet here we are using the term to describe ideas held by groups of people. Are they all delusional? The “not part of a subcultural norm” requirement reduces the number of people who might be considered to be delusional, but it makes context important. Is the belief inside or outside a subculture? And the same way that context determines ‘delusion’, context determines reality, as I will show shortly. Now what does all this have to do with the psychology of fundamentalism?
Let me list a few:
1. We hold beliefs that unite us to a group. That identity provides security for the person whose sense of self is shaky.
2. To insure that we are not threatened by ideas that are not part of the group identity, we project onto those who hold contrary ideas images of sin, evil, and degradation.
3. As you might expect from an analytic framework, sexual conflict has been proposed to account for fundamentalist thinking. There are several variations of this model: in one, men’s fear of the feminine underlies the kind of patriarchy and subjugation of women that is seen in many fundamentalist cultures. In another, it is the fear of the uncontrollable that leads to ideologies that provide clear and rigid rules to govern sexual behaviour, another characteristic of fundamentalist cultures 4. From a more existentially oriented analytic framework, human beings live with the awareness of their own mortality – we are all going to die. For many this reality is fraught with unbearable anxiety; it is easy to understand why so many religions offer images that assuage death anxiety. Belief in Heaven, Paradise, reincarnation, and the soul all offer consolation. The more intense the individual’s fear, the more rigidly held the belief.
5. Man senses his insignificance in the face of an overwhelming and uncaring universe. Seeking guidance and meaning, he turns to sources which give answers. Doubt and questioning only lead to more anxiety, so a literal interpretation of the literature is preferred. Religious fundamentalism is characterized by literal readings of the relevant texts. There is neither room for debate, interpretation, nor literary critique.
There is no doubt that fundamentalists see the world as if their knowledge of it were absolute. Rigidly held beliefs, intolerance of alternative points of view, capacity to reinterpret history to fit their worldview, and rejection of scientific evidence are all manifestations of a fundamentalist ideology
The list made by Dr. Wiviott certainly encompasses some primary psychological problems of fundamentalists--lack of self esteem, projection of evil onto others, sexual confliction, fear of death, and a book that can be held onto when all else fails.
Wow! Who created the LGBTQ people if not God? You do realize that in the world there are nearly double the number of LGBTQ people as there are natural redheads? Are redheads unnatural as well, seeing as they only have half the number that homosexuals do? What about a redheaded lesbian or gay? Really a small number. You god is only involved in the creation of "LARGER" numbers?
Other stupid, literally stupid beliefs of fundamentalists:
Being LGBTQ is "unnatural" despite the evidence of homosexuality in numerous species of fish, animals, birds, and even insects.
God did not create homosexuality. Even from a logical perspective, it makes no sense why He would go to all this effort to craft a beautiful and perfect way for two opposite sexes to unite in a physical bond where they are literally inside of each other and even bring forth a child from that union and then create exceptions to that design. All of us are born with natural tendacies and weaknesses towards certain sins because our flesh is born into a sinful world.
Animals do all kinds of immoral things like eat their young so the comparison doesn't work. Human beings are not animals.
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Hating the LGBTQ community has nothing to do with the fundamentalist's view of them. The Bible says it and therefore God is to blame. (sort of like the commands to kill every man, woman, and child--the fundamentalist calls that okay for "god" but knows in his own heart any kind of genocide is wrong---or maybe they don't know that)
We are called to love all people, but that love shouldn't have to require that we embrace their sinful lifestyle.
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Even though the fundamentalist may not call for the killing (by the government) of gay people (a hypocrisy in that they otherwise believe LGBTQ people are an abomination), they still empower the worst of their own kind to think that such is biblical. Below are a few links to the people they support with tacit agreement that gays are anti-god.
And I bet if you polled every fundamentalist pastor in America, you would find that a high majority would never agree with such positions. All you do is plunk out some extremes who probably only said it to get attention.
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The list made by Dr. Wiviott certainly encompasses some primary psychological problems of fundamentalists--lack of self esteem, projection of evil onto others, sexual confliction, fear of death, and a book that can be held onto when all else fails.
I'll take God's Word over man anytime. Funny, the Bible even predicts people like you in the end times.
Black and white.... the Fundie perception. You have no appreciation for the wondrous variety of God's creation but seek to limit it to what you can understand. Controlling, not loving.
That, in itself, the implication that I'm wrong and you're right, is rather black and white. You're a fundamentalist at heart.
God did not create homosexuality. Even from a logical perspective, it makes no sense why He would go to all this effort to craft a beautiful and perfect way for two opposite sexes to unite in a physical bond where they are literally inside of each other and even bring forth a child from that union and then create exceptions to that design. All of us are born with natural tendacies and weaknesses towards certain sins because our flesh is born into a sinful world.
Animals do all kinds of immoral things like eat their young so the comparison doesn't work. Human beings are not animals.
We are called to love all people, but that love shouldn't have to require that we embrace their sinful lifestyle.
And I bet if you polled every fundamentalist pastor in America, you would find that a high majority would never agree with such positions. All you do is plunk out some extremes who probably only said it to get attention.
I'll take God's Word over man anytime. Funny, the Bible even predicts people like you in the end times.
Interesting that you show up, jeffbase. I was wondering where you had disappeared to even as I made that previous post. I think it ironic since there is no doubt in my mind, none whatsoever, with "no evidence" other than my own faith, that you are a closet homosexual.
I don't think that of BaptistFundie or FinnJarber or SumTingy, all who are as fundamentalist as you.
In addition what has logic to do with anything any fundamentalist concludes?
When did an animal eating their young become something "immoral." Nature is nature and doesn't have morality at all. And either God created it or didn't. Did "Satan" create LGBTQ people? Why is that the nature of human homosexuality is very close to the same percentage in every single society---and it makes no difference whether there is a religion killing them for it or letting them have same sex marriage. The law of NATURE, which God created, acts exactly the same.
Why do YOU claim I use extremes when YOU try to claim homosexuality is equivalent to "immorality" in animals that eat their young? You are back as your usual hypocritical self.
Did "god" in the OT call for the killing of homosexuals? Yes or No? If it did, are you saying that now we should not call for that because we have become more humanized? Are you unable to read for yourself that homosexuals feel threatened by fundamentalist Christians? Should they feel threatened or loved by you. Why doesn't transgender geekigurl feel your "love" if it is straight from God.
What it is straight from, is a sexually conflicted young man fighting his own homosexual desires.
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As you might expect from an analytic framework, sexual conflict has been proposed to account for fundamentalist thinking. There are several variations of this model: in one, men’s fear of the feminine underlies the kind of patriarchy and subjugation of women that is seen in many fundamentalist cultures. In another, it is the fear of the uncontrollable that leads to ideologies that provide clear and rigid rules to govern sexual behaviour, another characteristic of fundamentalist cultures.
It's a psychological problem for which you can get real, psychological help---if you CHOOSE to do so, unlike "choosing" a god to which you can ascribe a reason for your psychological conflicts.
Incidentally, God's "word" warns about you, too. And it's the real WORD of God----Jesus:
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and Love your neighbor as yourself. This sums up all the Law and the Prophets."
Yet you are always asking, "Who is my neighbor?" It resounds over and over when you talk about sin.
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There is no doubt that fundamentalists see the world as if their knowledge of it were absolute. Rigidly held beliefs, intolerance of alternative points of view, capacity to reinterpret history to fit their worldview, and rejection of scientific evidence are all manifestations of a fundamentalist ideology
Incidentally, I would agree that a polling of fundamentalist preachers would definitely reveal a "high percentage" who would not agree with killing LGBTQ people.
I think you, know, too that a polling of "liberal" preachers would find ZERO who would agree with killing LGBTQ people.
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That, in itself, the implication that I'm wrong and you're right, is rather black and white. You're a fundamentalist at heart.
The paradox of truth, when truth embraces the variety that IS present in the world and a lie shuts it out. Yes, one is right and one is wrong. There IS truth and a lie. The difference is in seeing and accepting what exists instead of trying to control perceptions.
"Fundamentalism always is a part of the problem--and it is a personal psychological problem as well" the question is whether THAT idea will be confronted or denied. Some here have confronted it and changed.
The paradox of truth, when truth embraces the variety that IS present in the world and a lie shuts it out. Yes, one is right and one is wrong. There IS truth and a lie. The difference is in seeing and accepting what exists instead of trying to control perceptions.
You're right. We should accept what is true and what exists rather than trying to control perceptions.
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"Fundamentalism always is a part of the problem--and it is a personal psychological problem as well" the question is whether THAT idea will be confronted or denied. Some here have confronted it and changed.
Now there ya go acting like the type of fundie that you always condemn. See? You can be as hateful as anyone.
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