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Old 10-27-2015, 01:07 PM
 
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Your first mistake is thinking God had anything at all to do with the bible.

And you go downhill from there.
I see people saying that a lot on these boards, but can you prove that the Bible is not God-breathed?


I admit that too may Christians make the Bible into an idol and hold it above all else, even God sometimes, but I would still argue that it is a tool that points to Christ, who in turn points to God. Or do you not agree with that, either?
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Old 10-27-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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When my JW friend who had sort of cut ties with me after she became a JW told me that she was struggling financially, my husband and I gave her "a handout" (that we actually needed pretty badly ourselves at that time) to tide her over through the rough times, not a lecture on religion. And that was when I was a Christian fundy and desperately afraid for her eternal soul. She didn't seem to have a problem accepting it and, as a matter of fact, indicated that she deserved it because she served Jehovah. Guess we didn't do the right thing.

You are all missing the point-- Where as it is kind to give a handout--all that actually serve the real Jesus give the permanent fix as well. And one actually has to put those two things- FIRST- in their lives for the outcome to be a reality. This world is designed to seek money and pleasure above all other things.
I know many people with good hearts that do things like you did, the problem is they do not know Gods will on many other matters because they are not taught what Jesus actually taught.
I guarantee--every real servant of Jesus when giving the temporary fix to another, as well shows them the permanent fix along with it. How many on earth wouldn't have starved to death if knowing and applying one single teaching from Jesus.
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Old 10-27-2015, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I see people saying that a lot on these boards, but can you prove that the Bible is not God-breathed?


I admit that too may Christians make the Bible into an idol and hold it above all else, even God sometimes, but I would still argue that it is a tool that points to Christ, who in turn points to God. Or do you not agree with that, either?
I do not.

A chickadee, or a blade of grass "points to God" more than anything in that book.
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Old 10-27-2015, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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As my husband and I had very bad experiences of having the Christian religion, of the fundamentalist/Biblical literalist dogma, forced down our throats as children, we were determined our own kids would not be subjected to any pressure. As there is no evidence to support any religion it is up to the individual to decide for themselves. Our girls are Christians, one an Anglican Priest, fortunately they are not fundies/Biblical literalists which would be hard to take, but up to them of course.

Do other posters let their children decide for themselves?
Children aren't mature enough to decide such things properly. We raised our children in our religion. When they moved out, they were free to decide on their own.
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Old 10-27-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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I do not.

A chickadee, or a blade of grass "points to God" more than anything in that book.
Clever

May I ask why you say that?
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Old 10-27-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Children aren't mature enough to decide such things properly. We raised our children in our religion. When they moved out, they were free to decide on their own.
But your going to do your dandiest to indoctrinated them into your beliefs, right?

There are indoctrination regimes who learned from religions how to impact the young 'uns.
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Old 10-27-2015, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Clever

May I ask why you say that?
Because it's true.
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Old 10-27-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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Because it's true.
Ah, was hoping you'd open up a bit more, but that's ok.
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Old 10-27-2015, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Ah, was hoping you'd open up a bit more, but that's ok.
I don't need to open up. The truth is plain to some.
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Old 10-27-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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I agree, it is not enough to attempt to please God through works, good deeds, or any other means:


I have to ask, by what authority are you saved Ronkon? If it is not of Jesus, what better alternative is there?

As far as a narrow gate, Christ would disagree:
I do not attempt to please anyone except the mother needing diapers, cleaning products, and healthy fruits and vegetables for her children. There are plenty of young mothers with a spouse in Iraq and Afghanistan here. This nation has an embarrassment of riches and there are military families needing nutritional assistance.

Imagine losing your home in an unprecedented flood? Imagine having to source out your children to relatives while you scramble for affordable housing? Imagine losing your job at the same time, because the business was swept away along with your home?

I believe God agrees with my views, and if God did not agree with me? We would argue about it, and I would be correcting God. That is my authority.
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