What God says to those who fail to keep His law........... (lordship, believe)
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No sarcasm. Believing Christians and Jews really DO declare that Deuteronomy was written by Moses himself. As pointed out, the very existence of Deuteronomy WAS unknown until it was first discovered in Solomon's temple perhaps 1,000 years after Moses lived. These are simple facts. For Moses to have hidden a book inside of a building that would not be built until years after Moses died would have required a genuine miracle. Out of respect to the fact that this IS the Christian forum after all, I even ended my post with a common Christian supplication. Lest I should be found to be offensive.
As you wish. You were not employing a variation of argumentum ad absurdum to expose the error in their beliefs. My mistake.
Listening to the voice of the Lord, is realtime.
This is the law of the Father.
Jesus demonstrated it with His life .
Jesus provide the Holy Spirit to this end.
The relationship of a child of God is obedience to His voice.
Everyone in the flesh is under the law, and everyone who is born of the spirit is under the grace of the law.
There are two covenants, one for the slave and one for the freeman.
What in the world does Hagar and her son have to do with the Jerusalem and the law when they don't pertain to either?
Her son is used as an allegory to our flesh, the first born son. The law will judge every son, but the sons of grace are born free, and a different law pertains to them.
Galatians
Hagar and Sarah
…23But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.…
I am of Ishmael under the law and I am also of Isaac under grace, two of us.
Everyone in the flesh is under the law, and everyone who is born of the spirit is under the grace of the law.
There are two covenants, one for the slave and one for the freeman.
What in the world does Hagar and her son have to do with the Jerusalem and the law when they don't pertain to either?
Her son is used as an allegory to our flesh, the first born son. The law will judge every son, but the sons of grace are born free, and a different law pertains to them.
Galatians
Hagar and Sarah
…23But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.…
I am of Ishmael under the law and I am also of Isaac under grace, two of us.
In what way does any of this differ from being under nothing at all?
In what way does any of this differ from being under nothing at all?
A great deal.
Should a person try to be righteous or not? Will all people be counted the same after all this is said and done?
The kingdom of heaven is in 3 sections and that outer section is for gentiles who remain gentiles calling the Torah a strange thing, they will not be allowed to enter the higher Zoe kingdom of heaven to sit down with Isaac, although they are saved.
He who doesn't keep the least of the commandments and also teaches others not to keep the commandments will be the least in the kingdom of heaven but hey, at least they have salvation albeit, not within the city.
God is not an unjust God who would look at the unrighteous greedy, angry fellow to call him the same as a person who is kind and loving and has no cares for this world.
Jesus said that if we didn't keep the laws better than the Pharisees, we were in trouble.
Matthew 5
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The law will judge everyone and that's why there are 3 sections of the temple that symbolize 3 sections of heaven.
Last edited by Hannibal Flavius; 10-28-2015 at 06:49 PM..
No, you just parrot a version of His words in whatever source you consider authoritative. Memorizing and parroting His words accomplishes nothing.
Tell Jesus that. He did the same thing and sent His followers as He was sent with the same words and glory. Or maybe you do not believe the book of John.
My sheep hear my voice, I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life and they will never perish.
The reason you do not hear, is you are not among my sheep.
If you knew me you would know my Father also because I come from Him, He sent me.
Should a person try to be righteous or not? Will all people be counted the same after all this is said and done?
The kingdom of heaven is in 3 sections and that outer section is for gentiles who remain gentiles calling the Torah a strange thing, they will not be allowed to into the higher Zoe kingdom of heaven, although they are saved. He who doesn't keep the least of the commandments and also teaches others not to keep the commandments will be the least in the kingdom of heaven but hey, at least they have salvation albeit, not within the city.
God is not an unjust God who would look at the unrighteous greedy, angry fellow to call him the same as a person who is kind and loving and has no cares for this world.
Jesus said that if we didn't keep the laws better than the Pharisees, we were in trouble.
Matthew 5
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The law will judge everyone and that's why there are 3 sections of the temple that symbolize 3 sections of heaven.
This is an ALLEGED difference. I was hoping for some tangible way that my existence is different. For example, I have had days when people tell me that they will pray for me. Other days, no one prays for me. I don't notice a tangible change in my existence one way or the other. Allegations of changes that provide no tangible change seem to be very little different from nothing at all.
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My mistake.
