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Old 11-14-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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If the deity exists one wonders if it was sitting on its cloud rubbing its hands and getting off on the terrible events in Paris? If it was omnipotent and loving it would have been capable of stopping this terrorist outrage, so why didn't it? Some Christians will praise the deity if something good happens but not blame it when bad things happen, WHY?
Why do you expect God to respond ONLY as you see fit? You have no idea what the bigger picture is. It's arrogant to assume that God is simply some genie in the sky that only serves to prevent tragedies and make human lives comfortable.
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Old 11-14-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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There are some things that we are able to control and there are some things that we are unable to control, fix, heal. Only God has that ability. God bless.
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Old 11-14-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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Because to blame God, is to accuse him of not having a reason for allowing evil to have it's time in the world. That is the reason. I certainly understand your feelings, but they lead no where and I do not want to go no where. I prefer to have faith in a better destiny than this present temporary placement.
Where was God in Paris when He was needed? Where was God when an insane man walked into a classroom in the Sandy Hook Elementary School and methodically shot 30 six year old children and their teacher in the head? And in what way is a God who refuses to act in the time of most desperate need, even to save the most innocent, any different from a God who isn't there?

In 1994 a tornado hit the Goshen Alabama Methodist Church during Sunday service, causing the walls of the church to collapse. Twenty people died including six children. A tornado is just a result of the forces which occur naturally on our planet. It has no agenda of good or evil. The Judeo/Christian God on the other hand very clearly DOES have an agenda according to Christians. Why would God allow the deaths of those in His own house of worship, including the most innocent, who were there in the very act of worshiping him, when all He had to do was to prevent the walls from collapsing with a thought? The problem is that when put to the test, we invariably observe that make believe is routinely unaffected by the harsh realities of real life. If a wall falls on you, or a mad man shoots you in the head, make believe does not serve as protection. Even for innocent children. Because in real life what we actually observe is that when the chips are down and faith is confronted by reality, reality will ALWAYS win out. When the chips are down and a Supreme Being would really REALLY come in handy God, invisible unknowable assumed to exist God, will invariably act in exactly the same manner as a God who isn't actually there. A God who refuses to act even in the face of the ultimate crisis of life and death for the most innocent of His followers is a God who corresponds in every way to A GOD WHO NEVER EXISTED TO BEGIN WITH! This is as close to an empirical test for the actual existence of God as one might reasonably hope for. And in these sorts of make or break tests, the result for the question "does God exist?" invariably corresponds in every way to a negative finding.
Piedmont Journal - Tried by Deadly Tornado, An Anchor of Faith Holds - NYTimes.com
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Old 11-14-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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Where was God in Paris when He was needed? Where was God when an insane man walked into a classroom in the Sandy Hook Elementary School and methodically shot 30 six year old children and their teacher in the head? And in what way is a God who refuses to act in the time of most desperate need, even to save the most innocent, any different from a God who isn't there?

In 1994 a tornado hit the Goshen Alabama Methodist Church during Sunday service, causing the walls of the church to collapse. Twenty people died including six children. A tornado is just a result of the forces which occur naturally on our planet. It has no agenda of good or evil. The Judeo/Christian God on the other hand very clearly DOES have an agenda according to Christians. Why would God allow the deaths of those in His own house of worship, including the most innocent, who were there in the very act of worshiping him, when all He had to do was to prevent the walls from collapsing with a thought? The problem is that when put to the test, we invariably observe that make believe is routinely unaffected by the harsh realities of real life. If a wall falls on you, or a mad man shoots you in the head, make believe does not serve as protection. Even for innocent children. Because in real life what we actually observe is that when the chips are down and faith is confronted by reality, reality will ALWAYS win out. When the chips are down and a Supreme Being would really REALLY come in handy God, invisible unknowable assumed to exist God, will invariably act in exactly the same manner as a God who isn't actually there. A God who refuses to act even in the face of the ultimate crisis of life and death for the most innocent of His followers is a God who corresponds in every way to A GOD WHO NEVER EXISTED TO BEGIN WITH! This is as close to an empirical test for the actual existence of God as one might reasonably hope for. And in these sorts of make or break tests, the result for the question "does God exist?" invariably corresponds in every way to a negative finding.
Piedmont Journal - Tried by Deadly Tornado, An Anchor of Faith Holds - NYTimes.com
Unless God is within us, rather than outside of us. Then it's a different ball game.
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Old 11-14-2015, 11:03 AM
 
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What sort of evil deity would create evil in the first place? I am of the opinion that this life is it, and when we die we cease to be, which is a better option than heaven, imo. A faith with nothing to back it up in the way of evidence is meanlingless to me.
Not everything is created, like darkness, cold, and evil. Darkness is absence of light, cold is absence of heat and evil is absence of good. Theoretically a hole in the ground does not exist either, because is it simply absence of dirt.
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Old 11-14-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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What sort of evil deity would create evil in the first place? I am of the opinion that this life is it, and when we die we cease to be, which is a better option than heaven, imo. A faith with nothing to back it up in the way of evidence is meanlingless to me.

Assuming there is a deity as you understand it, of course...

It makes sense to have a choice, right? What is a purpose of a human? Re-unite itself with its creator. Roughly, approximately, but basically so. Especially in Christian dogma.
Now, how does a human accomplish this?
By living a life on Earth and by acting. Simple, right? Faith is "act of faith" so general term acting is probably applicable as a general principle.
How will be the "acting" judged? By weighing right acts vs not right ones, right? Simple logic.
Hence, there should be a "choice", right?
Hence, logically, there should be a choice of "right" and a choice of "wrong'.
I think by now, my point is clear. Where there is choice and free will, there are opposites to chose from.
Good and its opposite - evil.

Say, in same shooting in Paris. There was a shooter murdering people. There was a journalist that started shooting video of what's going on with his cell, from a window, then ran down to help attacked people escape - and was shot into his left arm himself.
Here's your choices.
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Old 11-14-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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There are some things that we are able to control and there are some things that we are unable to control, fix, heal. Only God has that ability. God bless.
It's hearts that need fixing Shana...... he said he was anointed to do this, this is the Fathers business he was about.... he also said we are the channels of that same anointing that reaches and touches lives....... it's not a God is in control thing at all.......it's "here I am ... use me to free those lives that are under control of wrong beliefs, prejudices and biases that bring misery and frustration on their lives and the lives of others.
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Old 11-14-2015, 03:13 PM
 
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Yes God is not a liberal who can get into trouble if He does not help if they witness a tragedy...... See God cannot do anything in the earth unless people pray , and terrorist and not the people like to pray for .....Most terrorist come from Arab , or Spain, or Germany or Italy or Asia , so who is responsible you have to ask the British they are the only one who will tell us ........ You cannot blame God just as you could blame to local police and each has limitations
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Old 11-14-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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Yes God is not a liberal who can get into trouble if He does not help if they witness a tragedy...... See God cannot do anything in the earth unless people pray , and terrorist and not the people like to pray for .....Most terrorist come from Arab , or Spain, or Germany or Italy or Asia , so who is responsible you have to ask the British they are the only one who will tell us ........ You cannot blame God just as you could blame to local police and each has limitations

Yes, and when the city lifted their voices in prayer, the StaPuff Marshmallow man did not destroy it.

I like mine better than blaming Spain et-al.
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Old 11-14-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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Unless God is within us, rather than outside of us. Then it's a different ball game.
That hypothesis would explain a lot of things. Yes.
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