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Old 12-03-2015, 08:55 PM
 
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Michael Voris is working on righting things with his ministry. I know many good priests and nuns so I won't throw out the baby with the bath water but these evil men who are in charge right now need to be stopped. Michael is working on it.


Like governments it takes time to throw the bums out.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Michael Voris is working on righting things with his ministry. I know many good priests and nuns so I won't throw out the baby with the bath water but these evil men who are in charge right now need to be stopped. Michael is working on it.


Like governments it takes time to throw the bums out.
You're starting to get it, janelle.

Religions, like governments, just want to stay in power and collect money.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:54 PM
 
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Inevitably, religions seem to end up all about earthly power, not spiritual growth.
That is how you know that God has no part of their dogma. It is all about our spiritual development, NOT our carnal and worldly actions. Our spiritual development is all about the state of our hearts and minds, period, what we are becoming!
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Old 12-04-2015, 12:09 AM
 
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That is how you know that God has no part of their dogma. It is all about our spiritual development, NOT our carnal and worldly actions. Our spiritual development is all about the state of our hearts and minds, period, what we are becoming!
I hope you don't paint the whole Church with the same brush. The evil man are in power now and with prayer and good work from holy men they won't last.
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Old 12-04-2015, 09:22 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I hope you don't paint the whole Church with the same brush. The evil man are in power now and with prayer and good work from holy men they won't last.
You are a stout defender of your religion, Janelle. I only wish it was worthy of you. However, It is a particularly big pyramisdscam withing the huge con that christianity is, and you may quote me.

Prayer (which simply keeps people busy doing nothing) and good works (with a bit of ongoing cover up, and secrecy) will help to keep the 'evil man -you mean men, rather than one man of course- in power.

And I am sorry to say that their devoted and decent followers, like yourself, by blaming the rot on a few bad apples that can be got rid of without much trouble, dusting off the Old favourite "Why don't you look at the positive side?" and of course pleading that the baby not be thrown out with the bathwater. Unfortunately that translates into "Don't throw out more than a cupful at a time - then there is no fear of anyone finding there isn't a baby in there".

Oh, and a Merry Christmas, in case I don't get the chance later.
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Old 12-04-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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That is how you know that God has no part of their dogma. It is all about our spiritual development, NOT our carnal and worldly actions. Our spiritual development is all about the state of our hearts and minds, period, what we are becoming!
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I hope you don't paint the whole Church with the same brush. The evil man are in power now and with prayer and good work from holy men they won't last.
I know too many sincere and devout Catholics to do that, Janelle. I consider you one of them. Vast numbers of Catholics are brought to God and His love through the RCC which simply proves that "God can draw straight lines even with a very crooked stick." I simply despair that the dogma dilutes and marginalizes the central role of agape love that Christ represents and demonstrated so unambiguously. The retention of the ancient savage beliefs about God from the OT corrupted the interpretation of Christ's sacrifice into a barbaric blood sacrifice to appease God instead of a pure act of agape love for us all to highlight the barbarity and evoke a sense of mercy. God wants mercy born of agape love not sacrifice. He never DID want sacrifices, but our ignorant ancestors thought He did.
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Old 12-04-2015, 02:56 PM
 
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That is true. God sent His son to earth to be the ultimate blood sacrifice to take the place of the spotless lamb people would kill and sacrifice to Him. Christ died for you and me to atone for our sins once and for all. No blood sacrifice anymore but we do offer sacrifices to God. We give up many things and offer our sufferings when sick, etc. for God to use for the benefit of others or for special intentions we pray for.
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:52 PM
 
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Priest Scandal Movie: Painful, Disturbing, and Surprisingly Fair - Crisis Magazine


A review of the movie from Crisis Magazine.
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Old 12-05-2015, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Twenty years ago I regularly walked between where I worked and Grand Central Station in Manhattan. One day an elderly priest was taking care of something outside of the Roman Catholic Church of Our Savior on the Park Avenue South side of the church. Two men with leather shoulder bags stopped to stare down this priest. Fearing that there was going to be a confrontation I stopped and leaned on the wall of the church not too far from the priest. These two men moved on.

From that day forward I knew that the Gays in NYC were at war with the Catholic Church, and there was a willing press willing to report every allegation.

And if you say how do you know that these men were Gay, I say get to know the city that you live in along with its politics and cast of characters.
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Old 12-05-2015, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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In a prior post I condemned the Gays for a war on the Catholic Church, but now I will defend them. Pedophiles are mostly heterosexual. I went to a Catholic high school and young men were recruited into the brotherhood in their senior years. If they were forced into celibacy at that point, I think that their chance at sexual maturity was stunted. You might have to ask a psychologist but the inability to have a normal relationship with a woman may be fertile ground for perversity.

I also went to a Catholic college. Some of the clergy had girl friends. Good for them.
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