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Old 12-16-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

Well, Israel became a nation in 1948 and nothing happened. So they said wait 40 years, one Biblical generation and he will come. In the meantime the Israelis captured Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. Prophecy experts said, "Now Israel is complete. Wait 40 years and Jesus will come. That put us at 2008---40 year Biblical generation and still no Jesus. So the prophecy gurus said, "It's really a Jubilee after Jerusalem was captured that he will return so wait another 9 years and Jesus will return preceded by a 7-year tribulation and antichrist and a one-world government composed of ten nations (toes) and worldwide Christian persecution and famines, plagues, and bloody hailstones and all the rest. So here we are in the Jewish year of Jubilee (49 years after the capture of Jerusalem) and still no tribulation or antichrist or Christian heads being lopped off with portable guillotine machines.


So where is the promise of his return?
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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Well, Israel became a nation in 1948 and nothing happened. So they said wait 40 years, one Biblical generation and he will come. In the meantime the Israelis captured Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. Prophecy experts said, "Now Israel is complete. Wait 40 years and Jesus will come. That put us at 2008---40 year Biblical generation and still no Jesus. So the prophecy gurus said, "It's really a Jubilee after Jerusalem was captured that he will return so wait another 9 years and Jesus will return preceded by a 7-year tribulation and antichrist and a one-world government composed of ten nations (toes) and worldwide Christian persecution and famines, plagues, and bloody hailstones and all the rest. So here we are in the Jewish year of Jubilee (49 years after the capture of Jerusalem) and still no tribulation or antichrist or Christian heads being lopped off with portable guillotine machines.


So where is the promise of his return?
The error is in assuming that Jesus was supposed to return within one generation after Israel became a nation. And while many have held to that belief, the Bible doesn't say that.

What Matthew 24:32-34 does say however is that the generation that will see the return of Jesus is the generation which sees the signs of which Jesus had just spoken. The fig tree mentioned in 24:32 does not refer to the restoration of Israel. It refers to those signs that take place during the still future seven year Tribulation. Neither Matthew chapters 24 or 25 are speaking of the present Church-age. They have to do with the Tribulation which will take place after the Church has been caught up or raptured into heaven.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:27 PM
 
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Well, Israel became a nation in 1948 and nothing happened. So they said wait 40 years, one Biblical generation and he will come. In the meantime the Israelis captured Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. Prophecy experts said, "Now Israel is complete. Wait 40 years and Jesus will come. That put us at 2008---40 year Biblical generation and still no Jesus. So the prophecy gurus said, "It's really a Jubilee after Jerusalem was captured that he will return so wait another 9 years and Jesus will return preceded by a 7-year tribulation and antichrist and a one-world government composed of ten nations (toes) and worldwide Christian persecution and famines, plagues, and bloody hailstones and all the rest. So here we are in the Jewish year of Jubilee (49 years after the capture of Jerusalem) and still no tribulation or antichrist or Christian heads being lopped off with portable guillotine machines.


So where is the promise of his return?



Your post isn't what the bible teaches--I would advise you to run from those teachers.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:31 PM
 
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Maybe he came and nobody noticed.

So, despondent, he returned to heaven.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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I think he was at the 7-11 playing pinball and drinking a slurpee yesterday.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:58 PM
 
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Well, Israel became a nation in 1948 and nothing happened. So they said wait 40 years, one Biblical generation and he will come. In the meantime the Israelis captured Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. Prophecy experts said, "Now Israel is complete. Wait 40 years and Jesus will come. That put us at 2008---40 year Biblical generation and still no Jesus. So the prophecy gurus said, "It's really a Jubilee after Jerusalem was captured that he will return so wait another 9 years and Jesus will return preceded by a 7-year tribulation and antichrist and a one-world government composed of ten nations (toes) and worldwide Christian persecution and famines, plagues, and bloody hailstones and all the rest. So here we are in the Jewish year of Jubilee (49 years after the capture of Jerusalem) and still no tribulation or antichrist or Christian heads being lopped off with portable guillotine machines.


So where is the promise of his return?
One thing for sure... you nailed one prophecy in your post...

2 Peter 3:3-4 - Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming?
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Old 12-16-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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Well, Israel became a nation in 1948 and nothing happened. So they said wait 40 years, one Biblical generation and he will come. In the meantime the Israelis captured Jerusalem and the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. Prophecy experts said, "Now Israel is complete. Wait 40 years and Jesus will come. That put us at 2008---40 year Biblical generation and still no Jesus. So the prophecy gurus said, "It's really a Jubilee after Jerusalem was captured that he will return so wait another 9 years and Jesus will return preceded by a 7-year tribulation and antichrist and a one-world government composed of ten nations (toes) and worldwide Christian persecution and famines, plagues, and bloody hailstones and all the rest. So here we are in the Jewish year of Jubilee (49 years after the capture of Jerusalem) and still no tribulation or antichrist or Christian heads being lopped off with portable guillotine machines.


So where is the promise of his return?
The definition of eternity means timeless. This means that the Revelation has effectively happened in everyone's lifetime, and they have either succeeded or failed the test. It happened back in Nero's time, in the time of Adolf Hitler, and it will happen again. Jesus has come to each generation.
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Old 12-16-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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Jesus will only come on His visitation during a apostasy , and right now there may be to many believers who have a strong anointing of Christ for the grace of God . so antichrist cannot rise up until believers are weaker in Christ , so stronger Christians would need to live all their days in the earth , where new Christians would not be as gifted in the gifts of the Holy Spirit during an apostasy ...... Then in prophetic messages Jesus brought that the remnant Christian Church would all be in unity and antichrist will hate that and rise up on the last day ,............. Still Jesus will come and most people in the earth will not see Him , but His work will be evident
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Old 12-16-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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Your post isn't what the bible teaches--I would advise you to run from those teachers.

It all started with Hal Lindsey. He's the one in Late Great Planet Earth who tied Jesus' return to Israel becoming a nation again after being dispersed for some 1900 years:


"Now learn the parable of the fig tree (Israel); when its branches are tender and put forth shoots (becomes a nation) you know summer (my return) is near. So likewise when you see these thing (the founding of Israel as a nation after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD) know that "it" is near--even at the door."


We've all been taught that. Every minister I've ever heard LaHaye (Left Behind) Irwin Baxter, Van Impe, John Hagee, Dave McPherson, etc teach this.
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Old 12-17-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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It all started with Hal Lindsey. He's the one in Late Great Planet Earth who tied Jesus' return to Israel becoming a nation again after being dispersed for some 1900 years:


"Now learn the parable of the fig tree (Israel); when its branches are tender and put forth shoots (becomes a nation) you know summer (my return) is near. So likewise when you see these thing (the founding of Israel as a nation after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD) know that "it" is near--even at the door."


We've all been taught that. Every minister I've ever heard LaHaye (Left Behind) Irwin Baxter, Van Impe, John Hagee, Dave McPherson, etc teach this.
That's because they're pretrib, futurist rapture-ites. I used to believe that too. Spend a little time looking into preterism, and you might be convinced, like I was, that Jesus meant what he said to 'this generation', that some of them would be alive when they would see Him 'appearing' in the clouds. It happened in AD70, when the old temple order ended. He came into His kingdom then - that is why we are mysteriously seated with Christ in heavenly places and ruling and reigning with Him right now. It is a spiritual reality, and it is daily becoming more and more manifest in the earth, as God comes again and again to individuals, who will receive the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Until this is understood, there will always be doubt about what the kingdom of God is - its meaning, presence and effectiveness in the believers life - but because Jesus has 'sat down' and it 'is finished', there is truly no doubt about the efficacy of the king in His kingdom.

Rapture theory is a flawed, fear based, get us out of here theory.
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