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I think it is best to refrain from judging other peoples faith based on such weak argument.
Jesus and the Bible teaches to not judge, but maybe that is one of those things the 'spirit' tells some people to ignore.
We should refrain from judging other people, period! As pcamps reminds us:
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What you fail to see peace giver which is also your undoing, is the word is sent to judge our self and not to judge the world unrighteously.
When you judge others, you assume the mantle of God and presume to have His ability to judge. I would not feel comfortable facing Him after such presumptuousness.
So, you understood him saying that your faith is weak if you rely on the Bible.
There are plenty of people who find the Bible reliable, but how that should translate to them having weak faith is beyond me.
I think it is best to refrain from judging other peoples faith based on such weak argument.
Jesus and the Bible teaches to not judge, but maybe that is one of those things the 'spirit' tells some people to ignore.
I understand Him to be saying to the greatest biblliolators of every age (like those Pharisees) that Bible understanding is nonsense without the Spirit of God to guide one about loving people. That is why He called His Bible worshipers "vipers." They took the worst writings in Scripture to justify their ugliness toward their fellow human beings.
The Bible may judge me. I don't give a hoot if it does. I'm concerned about judgment by the Spirit.
You apparently are not. No judging of you, just reading your posts.
I am praying that God raises up an army of Warden's . Then true Christianity will survive being overcome by bible fundamentalism and the illusion of the wounded beast it represents.
You have truly made the devil one hell of an annoyed beast Bro.
When you say people choose one instead of the other, then obviously you see it as choice where you have to choose one or the other.
Yes, Finn, it IS one AUTHORITY or the other. That does not mean that the Bible is not a useful tool FOR the Spirit when the Spirit guides......AS promised in the Bible.
Yes, Finn, it IS one AUTHORITY or the other. That does not mean that the Bible is not a useful tool FOR the Spirit when the Spirit guides......AS promised in the Bible.
Actually you said they choose words written in ink, instead of the Spirit, which that suggests they pick one and toss the other. However, it is not what Christians do. You need to read the book and allow the Spirit guide you to understand it.
The same things Jesus told His disciples face to face, are the same the Spirit says, and that are written in ink. Since they say the same thing, you cannot toss one, without tossing them all.
Actually you said they choose words written in ink, instead of the Spirit, which that suggests they pick one and toss the other. However, it is not what Christians do. You need to read the book and allow the Spirit guide you to understand it.
The same things Jesus told His disciples face to face, are the same the Spirit says, and that are written in ink. Since they say the same thing, you cannot toss one, without tossing them all.
So you SAY, but you also say that the Spirit will not guide you to anything that is contrary to the Bible and THAT attitude puts the Bible in the position of authority. The beginning of the Sola Scriptura error was a reaction to the Roman Catholic assertion of Church authority, guided by the Spirit, of course. The reformers could see that the fruit of the Spirit was NOT evident in much of what that denomination promulgated, just as people can see that the fruit of the Spirit is not present in much that people who claim to be "Bible believers" promulgate.
Strangely enough, neither side seems to use that simple tool to verify the guidance of the Spirit in their own doctrines.
So you SAY, but you also say that the Spirit will not guide you to anything that is contrary to the Bible and THAT attitude puts the Bible in the position of authority.
How does them saying the same thing put one above the other? One is simply a written version of the other.
I get it. You don't agree with the Bible, so you dismiss the inconvenient parts and you declare the spirit told you to do so. I have heard it before. A third person might declare that his spirit told him something which disagrees with the bible and your view, and a fourth person says his spirit disagrees with all of the above, and on to goes.
There must be a law that says: Thou shall not reason, or thinketh for thyself.
God has given us free will, so you are free to make your religion, or you can just go with 'reason' and 'logic'.
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