Spirit and Bible (Antichrist, Jesus, verse, translate)
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There was a time in many of our lives when we looked only to scripture to find what God was saying to us or doing around us. When you’re in Sunday School and Vacation Bible School, there is so much emphasis on the Bible itself that we zero in on that book when we are looking for God and his answers to our dilemmas.
But at some point we mature---or most of us do---mentally, physically, and for those born of the Spirit---spiritually as well.
Mary Lathbury who penned the following words had respect for Scripture, but still knew it didn't reveal the fullness of God, and she sought more.
Beyond the sacred page I seek Thee, Lord;
My spirit pants for Thee, O living Word!
Someone once said, “You’ll know you are independent from your parents when you can do what you want for yourself even if they want it too.” The Bible writers are like dysfunctional parents to our whole society, parents we have turned to, collectively and individually, for guidance and who all too often instead cause harm or trauma. One of the ways we will know that we have truly outgrown them is when we are able to claim what we believe to be useful and beautiful, even if they said it, without ever buying into to the ugliness and tension they may have occasionally caused.
That's the difference between those living in the Spirit and those stuck in the "sacred pages" of Scripture. Those who have gone beyond it see when it was nothing more than the trap the prodigal son fell into---selfishness, feeding with the pigs on the swill sometimes included in Scripture by our less than perfect ancestors, thinking they are independent by abandoning their brother left at home to do the work of the Father alone, without the help they should be providing.
Still unlike the "faithful" brother of the parable, we stand arm in arm with God the father to welcome them home to their real inheritance of brotherhood with all.
How does them saying the same thing put one above the other? One is simply a written version of the other.
I get it. You don't agree with the Bible, so you dismiss the inconvenient parts and you declare the spirit told you to do so. I have heard it before. A third person might declare that his spirit told him something which disagrees with the bible and your view, and a fourth person says his spirit disagrees with all of the above, and on to goes.
If they say the same thing, then the Spirit confirms what the Bible says, but we are not talking about if they say the same thing, When you say the Spirit MUST conform to what the Bible says, you put the Bible in control of the Spirit and I am of the opinion that there is something wrong with that.
No, you DON'T "get it." There are not two or more Spirits from God, but one with characteristics anyone but a bibliolator can easily distinguish. Review the "fruit of the spirit" and 1 Cor 13 for some help. It is absolutely reasonable for people who are seeking God's will in any situation and not their own agenda to come to an understanding all can agree on. We call that discernment.
Actually you said they choose words written in ink, instead of the Spirit, which that suggests they pick one and toss the other. However, it is not what Christians do. You need to read the book and allow the Spirit guide you to understand it.
That works ONLY when you actually USE the characteristics of the Spirit (1 Cor 13, etc.) to test what is written in ink. You do NOT!
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The same things Jesus told His disciples face to face, are the same the Spirit says, and that are written in ink. Since they say the same thing, you cannot toss one, without tossing them all.
Wrong. They do NOT always say the sane thing. That is WHY we have the Comforter (Holy Spirit) to lead us to the truth "written in our hearts" with agape love. You keep pretending it is personal feeling when it is based on the characteristics of the Spirit as revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus (1 Cor 13, the Sermon on the Mount, Galations 5, etc.)
Thank you for reminding me of that old song, Warden. The fundamentalist congregation I grew up in actually changed those words to "There on the sacred page I seek thee, Lord"
No, you DON'T "get it." There are not two or more Spirits from God, but one with characteristics anyone but a bibliolator can easily distinguish. Review the "fruit of the spirit" and 1 Cor 13 for some help. It is absolutely reasonable for people who are seeking God's will in any situation and not their own agenda to come to an understanding all can agree on. We call that discernment.
Actually, its called 'personal opinion'. You confuse your emotions and 'logic' with the Holy Spirit. Such people are not following the Spirit, they are trying to figure it out on your own based on some rule they have invented. You are following the spirit of human emotion. You reject parts of the Bible if they are not in line with your opinions, and in the process you create your own little religion.
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 01-25-2016 at 05:37 AM..
And the people who claim that they are following the Bible but form 30,000 differnt denominations are not?
You are simply denying that what the Bible actually teaches about our "Guide" is true. How weak a faith in the Bible is THAT?
He believes the spirit is given to guide us by the bible and for helping us understand the bible. If that is really what he believes then it is not the Spirit of God guiding him in that belief, because his bible does not teach that.
And the people who claim that they are following the Bible but form 30,000 differnt denominations are not?
Different denominations are not different religions.
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You are simply denying that what the Bible actually teaches about our "Guide" is true. How weak a faith in the Bible is THAT?
No, I do not deny it, I embrace the guidance of the Spirit.
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