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When you say that the Spirit MUST be the same as the words "written in ink," you are making the words the "authority" NOT the Spirit, because they are NOT always compatible. We take everything that has been said and demonstrated about the Spirit (who IS God) and say that everything must be compatible with the Spirit or it is not true. What about that do you NOT understand????
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Is everything Jesus is quoted as saying in agreement with the spirit?
If it is NOT, then Jesus did NOT say it. This is what Bible literalists refuse to understnad. There were lying Scribes, false teachers, false prophets and myriad and sundry other forces operating on the early Christians and ultimately on the compilation of the Bible. They affected what was considered canon and what was not. There were alterations by those who were charged ONLY with copying, but that did not seem to stop them. What you have to ask yourself, jimmie, is it credible that so many men with so many different agendas over so many centuries were somehow prevented from corrupting what Jesus actually taught and said??? I know you believe that God COULD magically do this. But given the contradictions and inconsistencies in the morality displayed by God and that taught and demonstrated by Jesus, you need to ask yourself what is the evidence that He actually DID.
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (Notice, no mention of the bible).
Seek the Lord he can be found
He's closer than you think
He's hid his word within your heart
This truth will set you free.
If it is NOT, then Jesus did NOT say it. This is what Bible literalists refuse to understnad. There were lying Scribes, false teachers, false prophets and myriad and sundry other forces operating on the early Christians and ultimately on the compilation of the Bible. They affected what was considered canon and what was not. There were alterations by those who were charged ONLY with copying, but that did not seem to stop them. What you have to ask yourself, jimmie, is it credible that so many men with so many different agendas over so many centuries were somehow prevented from corrupting what Jesus actually taught and said??? I know you believe that God COULD magically do this. But given the contradictions and inconsistencies in the morality displayed by God and that taught and demonstrated by Jesus, you need to ask yourself what is the evidence that He actually DID.
I agree with this post as well as the previous statement by Mystic phd. If it doesn't agree with the spirit in the gospels, then Jesus DID NOT say it in the gospels. It was an enemy.
If it is NOT, then Jesus did NOT say it. This is what Bible literalists refuse to understnad. There were lying Scribes, false teachers, false prophets and myriad and sundry other forces operating on the early Christians and ultimately on the compilation of the Bible. They affected what was considered canon and what was not. There were alterations by those who were charged ONLY with copying, but that did not seem to stop them. What you have to ask yourself, jimmie, is it credible that so many men with so many different agendas over so many centuries were somehow prevented from corrupting what Jesus actually taught and said??? I know you believe that God COULD magically do this. But given the contradictions and inconsistencies in the morality displayed by God and that taught and demonstrated by Jesus, you need to ask yourself what is the evidence that He actually DID.
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Originally Posted by David in Christ
I agree with this post as well as the previous statement by Mystic phd. If it doesn't agree with the spirit in the gospels, then Jesus DID NOT say it in the gospels. It was an enemy.
Sure. Calling his disciples hypocrites with a plank in their eye and evildoers. This is NOT Jesus, this does not line up with the spirit of God at all.
Sure. Calling his disciples hypocrites with a plank in their eye and evildoers. This is NOT Jesus, this does not line up with the spirit of God at all.
Can you give a scripture reference? That would help.
Is everything Jesus is quoted as saying in agreement with the spirit?
Off hand I don't know. With the exception of John's "Revelation" I would tend to think so, assuming that you are speaking of characteristics of the Spirit.
Not at all, those words are being used from YOUR bible to prove a point to you. I do not need the bible to know that the attributes of God are all that could be considered lovely. You do, so this suggest Christ is not alive in you. Otherwise you would know without having to open your bible.
The Christ is the truth ,the word of God. If the word of God is in you then the Father and son are in you. That is the spirit in you because Jesus said the words He spoke are spirit and life. You say you follow Him but in reality you follow your own theology.
"If you abide in me and my words abide in you, you may ask what you will and it shall be done for you."
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