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Originally Posted by Eusebius Jesus said to Mary to tell the disciples, after His resurrection: "Tell my disciples that I am ascending to my Father and your Father and My God and your God." Jesus ascended to where His God and to where their God is. Jesus is currently seated at the right hand of God. That is exactly where Jesus is.
It says "your ***life*** is hidden together with Christ in God." It doesn't say "you are hidden with Christ in God."
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Originally Posted by pcamps
Your bible says Jesus Christ is in you read it in 2 Corinthians 13:5
He is my life.
pcamps, you are all over the map. We were talking about you saying Jesus is in God (He is actually at the
right hand of God) but since God's spirit is everywhere, of course Jesus is within the realm of God's spirit
just as all mankind are. But this does not prove all mankind are "in Christ" as you suggested earlier. And
now you state: "Jesus Christ is in you" as if that has anything to do with Christ being in all mankind. It
doesn't. It is concerning the believer. Since Christ's spirit is in the believer, that same spirit which raised
Christ from the dead will raise us up too. If all mankind has the Christ's spirit right now then all mankind
would be in the first resurrection which they won't be.
pcamps, you are all over the map. We were talking about you saying Jesus is in God (He is actually at the
right hand of God) but since God's spirit is everywhere, of course Jesus is within the realm of God's spirit
just as all mankind are. But this does not prove all mankind are "in Christ" as you suggested earlier. And
now you state: "Jesus Christ is in you" as if that has anything to do with Christ being in all mankind. It
doesn't. It is concerning the believer. Since Christ's spirit is in the believer, that same spirit which raised
Christ from the dead will raise us up too. If all mankind has the Christ's spirit right now then all mankind
would be in the first resurrection which they won't be.
Again, you are making assumptions, you not the scriptures are saying that some are in Christ while others are not. The only difference between the unbeliever and the believer is one is aware that they are in Christ the other is not aware. You do not understand or see this because you are conditioned to think otherwise. Jesus Christ is God and not a 3rd part of the trinity.
And Paul said in subsequent eras some will be withdrawing from the faith. So it doesn't surprise me by what you wrote above.
1Ti_4:1 Now the spirit is saying explicitly, that in subsequent eras some will be withdrawing from the
faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and the teachings of demons,
Paul told the Ephesian elders that when he was gone the faith would be perverted. Like I said, many of us are walking away from that perversion we were deceived by and back to the faith. It is very nice that you believe in UR, but UR is not the whole revelation that was lost in the perversion over the centuries of Christianity.
When one wakes up to the fact that they are entrapped in the Satanic agenda of non-fundamentalism, they resort to all sorts of ways to try to justify their untenable position.
Whereas I can provide many examples here on CD of people turning from fundamentalism to freedom in Christ, I have never, ever, seen anywhere, a liberal Christian sink into the mire of fundamentalism. That's over 30 years of my life after God showed me how like the Pharisees are today's fundamentalist. And if you compare Christian fundamentalists to those of Muslim persuasion, the only difference in desire to control the lives of all society is in the methodology, not the theology.
You cannot escape the mire of fundamentalism by staying self-absorbed. It can only happen by looking at others---the very "bad" others---and seeing the possibility that God is lurking in them.
Many are walking away from the truth and beginning to follow deceiving spirits, and yet in other parts of world many others are coming to the light.
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons"
That was said about the early Christians and the mainstream Christians are the one who have abandoned faith and followed " deceiving spirits and things taught by demons." They are the majority who follow the anti-Christ. You are on the wrong side of this issue. The intervening 2000+ years ARE the latter days, NOT some time in our future. To the early Christians 2000+ years would have been an inconceivable number of latter days.
Paul told the Ephesian elders that when he was gone the faith would be perverted. Like I said, many of us are walking away from that perversion we were deceived by and back to the faith. It is very nice that you believe in UR, but UR is not the whole revelation that was lost in the perversion over the centuries of Christianity.
I agree. There are all the secrets (some translations have "mysteries) of Paul which few know about. Many also don't realize the secret of the conciliation or the allotment of believers in Christ among the celestials or that we are complete in Christ or that we are sealed with the spirit of promise for the day of deliverance or meeting Christ in the air etc.
But it is wrong to paint with such a broad brush all fundamentalists just because some have erred.
Again, you are making assumptions, you not the scriptures are saying that some are in Christ while others are not. The only difference between the unbeliever and the believer is one is aware that they are in Christ the other is not aware. You do not understand or see this because you are conditioned to think otherwise. Jesus Christ is God and not a 3rd part of the trinity.
Again, I feel I have to repeat myself: If all unbelievers are "in Christ" then all unbelievers will be in the first resurrection and will not appear before the Great White throne judging.
And Paul said in subsequent eras some will be withdrawing from the faith. So it doesn't surprise me by what you wrote above.
When people make comments like "look where the drift of going" it becomes clear they follow the 'drift' aka whatever is popular. In other words they follow other people.
When people make comments like "look where the drift of going" it becomes clear they follow the 'drift' aka whatever is popular. In other words they follow other people.
I wish they would define their terms such as "Fundamentalism." They seem to be fixated with making fun of or putting down anyone that even hints at being a fundamentalist.
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