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Old 02-26-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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By accepting ONE fallacy, one will be led to believe many others..
Then give up your fallacy.
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Old 02-26-2016, 08:32 PM
 
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It is one thing for Jesus to finish the mission for which He came.
It is quite another for Paul to complete the word of God.
The Bible is a vast expression of various thoughts and feelings, it is not God's Word.
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Old 02-26-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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The Bible is the final say on spiritual matters.
That depends on how you interpret it.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:11 AM
 
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I wouldn't know. I've never even attended a Catholic service--or even watched a complete "mass" on television. Of course, it could mean that God is able to give the same message to people NOT indoctrinated by their own belief system.


Why go to church? There are no inspired or revelatory sermons. You just need reinforcement about that idol you worship? No need to listen to anyone singing a message about Christ--they aren't inspired anyway.


Well now we come to the crux of the matter and quite indicative of bibliolatry. Whatever you don't want to apply to your own life--but which is still in the Bible--applies to different times and different people thereby absolving you of your personal responsibility toward Jesus Christ. Of course, you have none, since it is not Christ you worship but your bible.

The parable I shared doesn't "apply" to you and applies only to them because of verse 13. If it applied to you, then you would hear and obey. By removing yourself from the picture you are able to remain an unrequited Bible worshiper.

Your honesty displays your naivety in things of the Spirit. You have doubtless "proven" to us all that you are unable to learn because you refuse to search for truth---you've found it. You have made that book perfect in the way Jesus was perfect. We don't know that God sent the bible--or which books--but we do know from the ones we have that God sent Jesus. You have made a book equal to God. That is idolatry.
Aren't we special?


May God have mercy on your soul. You betcha you need to be relying on that universalism.
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Old 02-27-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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Some Christians pick and choose what parts of the bible they will decide to take literally and what parts they will not. Are only parts of the Bible inspired?

When the creation account in Genesis describes the Moon being a light source of its own and not "reflecting light" as the world teaches.

Would it be so hard for God to inspire the writer to write " the lesser light reflects the greater light"

In Genesis people are living to be almost 1000 years old.

Book of Joshua describing the Sun and the Moon standing still. (not the earth, if earth that we are told is rotating 1000 miles per hour was to suddenly stop, what would happen to the earth?)

Would it be so hard for God to inspire the writer to say the earth stood still ?

The creation of the life on earth being about 6000 years ago and more...etc.


If we as Christians believe that Satan is real and has deceived the whole world and is in control of this planet, why would it be so hard to believe that he is not controlling all of the important information that is put out to the masses, especially information that would cause people to doubt the Bible?

By what authority do Christians have the right to choose not to believe some parts and believe others?

If someone says, I do not believe in a literal creation account nor Adam and eve, or perhaps some of the other above issue I mentioned, but then say I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and he did many miracles and was raised from the dead. By what reason? Because with that logic, a Christian can chose to just believe what ever he or she wants from the bible and no other Christian can say anything about it.

I believe in the complete Word of HaShem. This wasn't always so. But then I met the Author and finisher of my faith, and a whole new world literally opened up to me, and dead letters became alive and made me alive within.


And then the deeper I dove in like a man dying of thirst, the more beautiful and intricate yet simple, it became. It's like a diamond of the purest form and cut, of truly unparalleled beauty that when the light hits it, it displays all the colors of the rainbow, and you cannot be satisfied until you have seen it from every stunning facet, which will take a lifetime, and then some, an eternity. Peace

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Old 02-27-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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By what authority do Christians have the right to choose not to believe some parts and believe others?

If someone says, I do not believe in a literal creation account nor Adam and eve, or perhaps some of the other above issue I mentioned, but then say I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and he did many miracles and was raised from the dead. By what reason? Because with that logic, a Christian can chose to just believe what ever he or she wants from the bible and no other Christian can say anything about it.
By what authority do you claim that the Bible is our authority or guide? The Bible itself says that our guide is to be something else entirely. Do you believe the Bible about THAT?
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Old 02-27-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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The bible itself says that our guide is to be something else entirely.
Do you believe the bible about that?
Only from the heart can you touch the heavens.
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Old 02-27-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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By what authority do you claim that the Bible is our authority or guide? The Bible itself says that our guide is to be something else entirely. Do you believe the Bible about THAT?
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Old 02-27-2016, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The Bible is a vast expression of various thoughts and feelings, it is not God's Word.
Jesus and the apostles said differently.
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Old 02-27-2016, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Jesus and the apostles said differently.
Where? Do an experiment, jimmiej, Wherever the words "word of God" or even just "word" in reference to something attributed to God, substitute "truth" for "word" and see if the meaning changes. "Word of God" is not about the writings, but about what is exptressed.

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