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Old 11-26-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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The traditional teaching among most of the Christian churches is that the entire bible is inspired by God. However, quite a number of contradictions and errors are apparent which apologists have been unsuccessful in explaining way.

In 1964, the Vatican II in its writing on scripture, Dei Verbum, included the following:

"In composing the sacred books, God chose men and while employed by Him they made use of their powers and abilities, so that with Him acting in them and through them, they, as true authors, consigned to writing everything and only those things which He wanted."

"Holy Mother Church has firmly and with absolute constancy held, and continues to hold, that the four Gospels just named, whose historical character the Church unhesitatingly asserts, faithfully hand on what Jesus Christ, while living among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation until the day He was taken up into heaven."

This allows for exceptions. Thus can this be interpreted to mean that not everything in scripture is really inspired, but only those things necessary for salvation. So can everyone form their own opinion as to which parts of scripture are inspired and which are not?
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Old 11-26-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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Inspired is one thing, what the fundie's think is that not only is it inspired, it is also inerrant. For a human to write a perfect document, they would have to be perfect, as would have all the folks who copied and translated it over the years.

Also wouldn't we have to be perfect as well? If we aren't, then how can we know it is?
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Old 11-26-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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...snip... So can everyone form their own opinion as to which parts of scripture are inspired and which are not?
Yep. It's what happens with every denomination, every sect and every individual.

It's called cherry-picking. Even fundies do it. (But they like to fool themselves into thinking otherwise.)
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Old 11-26-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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So can everyone form their own opinion as to which parts of scripture are inspired and which are not?
Sure you can.

Your god did not give you a brain so that someone else can tell you what to believe.
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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The traditional teaching among most of the Christian churches is that the entire bible is inspired by God. However, quite a number of contradictions and errors are apparent which apologists have been unsuccessful in explaining way.

In 1964, the Vatican II in its writing on scripture, Dei Verbum, included the following:

"In composing the sacred books, God chose men and while employed by Him they made use of their powers and abilities, so that with Him acting in them and through them, they, as true authors, consigned to writing everything and only those things which He wanted."

"Holy Mother Church has firmly and with absolute constancy held, and continues to hold, that the four Gospels just named, whose historical character the Church unhesitatingly asserts, faithfully hand on what Jesus Christ, while living among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation until the day He was taken up into heaven."

This allows for exceptions. Thus can this be interpreted to mean that not everything in scripture is really inspired, but only those things necessary for salvation. So can everyone form their own opinion as to which parts of scripture are inspired and which are not?
as a group we decide. we do the best we can. That is the lesson of the founding fathers and counsel of the saints.
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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We also get to decide what "inspired" means. Why? Because the Bible is not our authority.
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Old 11-26-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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as a group we decide. we do the best we can. That is the lesson of the founding fathers and counsel of the saints.
References please, or is this just your opinion?
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Old 11-26-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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References please, or is this just your opinion?
References do not matter. Your god gave each of us the power to form our own opinions and beliefs.
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Old 11-26-2014, 12:46 PM
 
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as a group we decide. we do the best we can. That is the lesson of the founding fathers and counsel of the saints.
In the case of the founding fathers we know it was a group effort because very extensive records exist of that. How do the saints figure in group effort? Division of labor? Is that what the patron saint business is about?

If that is not what you meant, what did you mean?
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Old 11-26-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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Clues.

"Whoever belongs to God hears every word God speaks."

"The Lord's power shall be known to His servants"

"Whoever offers praise as a sacrifice glorifies me and to him who goes the right way I will show the salvation of God."

"If you continue in my word you are truly my disciple then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

"The man who keeps the commandments he has from me is the man who loves and the man who loves me will be loved by my Father, I too shall love him and reveal myself to him

(Father) "I have revealed your name to those whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, you gave them to me and they have kept your word."
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