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Old 02-17-2016, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Still does not answer how Christ was able to tell the thief he was forgiven and granted access to paradise PRIOR to Jesus' death?
The same way OT saints were saved, by faith.
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:52 PM
 
Location: New England
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I don't know who His enemies are.

You may see her again... location to be determined...

This I will say for certain - if she happened to not end up in a good place, it will not be because she smoked and drank, and partied, and gambled.
What will it be then ?. I will see her again for he saves the lost, I don't know how but I know beyond doubt that he does....... That is why he IS the savior.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:29 PM
 
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What will it be then ?. I will see her again for he saves the lost, I don't know how but I know beyond doubt that he does....... That is why he IS the savior.
You may need to ask someone who believes you can be saved without faith in Christ.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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You may need to ask someone who believes you can be saved without faith in Christ.
DRob, did you have to have faith in Adam to get what you got due to his disobedience (think Romans 5:18,19)?
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:56 PM
 
Location: New England
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You may need to ask someone who believes you can be saved without faith in Christ.
All will come to faith because of his faithfulness..... Why is this so hard to understand? Oh wait a minute.... You don't want to believe it because what you have built your belief system upon comes down quicker than a house built on sand
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:03 PM
 
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DRob, did you have to have faith in Adam to get what you got due to his disobedience (think Romans 5:18,19)?
The link with Adam is physical... not spiritual by faith.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:10 PM
 
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All will come to faith because of his faithfulness..... Why is this so hard to understand? Oh wait a minute.... You don't want to believe it because what you have built your belief system upon comes down quicker than a house built on sand
It's not hard to understand. It just does not come from the Father or the Son.

It's not a matter of what I want.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:16 PM
 
Location: New England
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It's not hard to understand. It just does not come from the Father or the Son.

It's not a matter of what I want.
So he is not faithful in his mission to seek and save the lost even if it was only just one little sheep ?. You talk unbelief not faith and doubt God to do what he is not only willing but able to do.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:32 PM
 
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So he is not faithful in his mission to seek and save the lost even if it was only just one little sheep ?. You talk unbelief not faith and doubt God to do what he is not only willing but able to do.
The mission was never to deliver every single person.

Have to understand that God and sin don't mix. You will not be in God's presence for eternity in your (or anyone else's) sin. Christ has to be in you (through faith in Him) for you to be in God's presence for eternity. That's what is promised.

John 6:40 - "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: New England
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The mission was never to deliver every single person.

Have to understand that God and sin don't mix. You will not be in God's presence for eternity in your (or anyone else's) sin. Christ has to be in you (through faith in Him) for you to be in God's presence for eternity. That's what is promised.

John 6:40 - "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
That is why your god is not God.
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