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Not so fast Jeff, sexual immorality and perversion does not equate to homosexuality. It could be referring to gang raping virgin daughters. You know, like Lot offered the crowd?
I would consider that a very serious form of sexual perversion and an extremely serious sin. One that would receive the death penalty from me.
Perhaps the women and children went along to hold the virgin daughters down for the men? But fortunately, Lot was a righteous man so offering his virgin daughter to be gang raped was quite OK with God.
Maybe the real sin of Gomorrah was REFUSING TO GANG RAPE THE VIRGIN DAUGHTERS! Yeah, that would do it. After all, is this God that deemed Lot to be a righteous man not the same God that murdered all the innocent first borns?
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Originally Posted by scgraham
The angels had already come with the intent to destroy Sodomy and Gomorrah. The potential sodomy attack on the angels by the sodomites came afterward. But, Jude wrote:
Jude 1
[7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Very nice, sc. Ezekiel gave an explanation as to WHY Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. Have you bothered to read it? His explanation says NOTHING about homosexuality. And, Ezekiel existed in a pretty much that same time period.
Jesus also alluded to S&G and there was not a hint in his statement about homosexuality. Have you bothered to read what Jesus is alleged to have said?
THEN ...Jude comes along hundreds of years after the story of S&G is supposed to have taken place. And, it's THAT passage of scripture that EVERY Christian Fundamentalist breaks their neck to use simply to bolster their anti-gay agenda! A typical 'fundie' deception tactic!
So, while I realize that responding to questions isn't exactly your forte, sc, I'll ask another in an attempt to get a response. How about you dissect the Jude text as written? I'd like to see you struggle to get 'homosexuality' out of that passage of scripture THAT NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN WITH TOTAL ACCURACY!
Does 'fornication' equate to 'homosexuality'? I don't think so.
Does 'going after strange flesh' equate to 'homosexuality'? I have NEVER YET heard of any human being - be they gay or straight - referred to as 'strange flesh'! That piece of terminology is weird!
The lengths that the brainwashed and hateful 'fundies' will go to in order to make the pieces fit into their anti-gay jigsaw puzzle is quite astounding. But, I think that more and more folks are catching on and their brand of religiosity is fast losing its grip. But, you know what? Some of us, even many of us, will be there to pick them up when they fall, brush them off and give them a hug because that's what we believe in doing.
It is interesting that Christians use the following as a proof of Jesus:
14Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.
Yet...He never went by this name not was given this name...
And insist that he was sinless...However, the rest of the passage states this:
15Cream and honey he shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good.
16For, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned."
How can the above be speaking about Jesus if he was born sinless and remained sinless until the day that he died?...
Hah! That is a sweet takedown. Truly. While I am a Christian I don't much hold to all the prophecies of Jesus in the OT. Those Hebrews had immediate problems that they looked to their prophets to address---or in some cases flat out ignored.
I read the OT to learn how the nature of God was perceived by the ancient Hebrews. For me. I look to Jesus in the NT to find a better interpretation of the meaning of those OT views. Even Jewish philosopher Martin Buber was attracted to the message Jesus provided though Buber remained a Jew always.
Hah! That is a sweet takedown. Truly. While I am a Christian I don't much hold to all the prophecies of Jesus in the OT. Those Hebrews had immediate problems that they looked to their prophets to address---or in some cases flat out ignored.
I read the OT to learn how the nature of God was perceived by the ancient Hebrews. For me. I look to Jesus in the NT to find a better interpretation of the meaning of those OT views. Even Jewish philosopher Martin Buber was attracted to the message Jesus provided though Buber remained a Jew always.
Hah! That is a sweet takedown. Truly. While I am a Christian I don't much hold to all the prophecies of Jesus in the OT. Those Hebrews had immediate problems that they looked to their prophets to address---or in some cases flat out ignored.
I read the OT to learn how the nature of God was perceived by the ancient Hebrews. For me. I look to Jesus in the NT to find a better interpretation of the meaning of those OT views. Even Jewish philosopher Martin Buber was attracted to the message Jesus provided though Buber remained a Jew always.
Have you ever tried reading about the Ancient Hebrews in the Tanakh?...It's a bit different than the Christian edited Old Testament...
Jews don't have a problem with his message Jews have a problem with what the Gentiles made him out to be...
I don't know how many times you have been told but gay people do not have a lifestyle, they have life. Just like you do. Then again you probably use the term lifestyle as it is considered derogatory, something you take great pride in doing to our friends in the GLBT community; namely denigrate them.
Sexual orientation does not define a person's identity. You can go out and switch orientations at a whim. Heck, women do it all the time in college apparently.
Sexual orientation does not define a person's identity. You can go out and switch orientations at a whim. Heck, women do it all the time in college apparently.
Maybe it's easy for you, jeffy. (Which is interesting....)
Sexual orientation does not define a person's identity. You can go out and switch orientations at a whim. Heck, women do it all the time in college apparently.
Speak for yourself Jeffy. I cannot switch sexual orientation! Can you? Did you try that exercise I suggested?
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