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1 John 3:20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
That is not what John 3 says. If God's wrath remains on unbelievers (v. 36), it is He who condemns.
“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh. Romans 8:3
*1 John 3 is written to believers. John 3 is written to all people.
That is not what John 3 says. If God's wrath remains on unbelievers (v. 36), it is He who condemns.
John 3 most certainly does say that God did NOT send the son to condemn people.
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“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh. Romans 8:3
That says that God condemned SIN, not people.
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*1 John 3 is written to believers. John 3 is written to all people.
You asked who condemns people. I gave you a verse that answers that question. OUR OWN HEARTS condemn us.
Read John 3:18-21. Everyone is condemned (by God), unless they are born again.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
You accuse pcamps of changing the bible to fit his theology when you JUST added the words "by God" to this passage to fit yours. That ain't what it says.
None of what he posted is in John 3:18-21, especially his "by God" nonsense, Pleroo. His theology is corrupted by the CONTEXT of a wrathful, condemning OT War God who needed to be appeased by blood sacrifices. It is a truly barbarous context that Christ came to correct, but He failed despite His dying in an unambiguous demonstration of God's TRUE NATURE. The majority anti-Christ apostate church prophesied for these latter days has completely corrupted Christ's Gospel of agape love.
But it's not what scripture actually says. Pcamps has a nasty habit of changing scripture to fit his theology.
Lol, you believe went around pointing out people's sin to them even though there is no evidence of this but you still say I only believe what is in the bible. Fundamentalists have rewritten the scriptures and your belief about what I have just pointed out to you is a prime example that you read from the the Bible Mach 11
"You're free to sin no more"? What version is that, the pcamps?
The version of the the good news once you realize you are not under condemnation. Did you not believe when you knew Jesus loved you and not condemned you that something special had happened in your life ? Well did ya ?. I think you did then like the rest of us you fell victim of the false shepherds and became a child of hell that only believes what we were taught.
Read John 3:18-21. Everyone is condemned (by God), unless they are born again.
Not condemned at all. Jesus did not come to condemn the condemned he came to save the lost. You were taught wrong by listening to the lying scribes who rewrote the scriptures.
The condemnation anyone is under is self condemnation. You have no scriptural evidence to show otherwise. The condemners for instance were the folk who threw a woman caught in adultery at his feet, standing afar from those they are assuming are sinners unlike them, those who believed they could be taught nothing because they believed 100% what the lying scribes had them believe, that condemned Jesus for dining with sinners, that condemned his disciples for plucking the heads of wheat, for condemning Jesus for healing on the sabbath because the book the lying scribes wrote said he couldn't, that called Jesus a winebibber and glutton. The list is endless. They condemning fundamentalist thrives on his self righteousness of what he's not doing while condemning folk for what they are doing.
You are either blind or intentionally seeing what is not there. Where does it say condemned of God
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
The bolder does not say condemned. What it does say is if you believe Jesus the condemnation you maybe under is lifted . No mention whatsoever of the condemnation being from God.
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