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Old 07-07-2016, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Good. The phrase is designed to misrepresent and to insult.

No. If you believe Jesus said "love your neighbor", which can be found in the Bible, then why should that mean you worship the Bible? It doesn't, it only means you believe Jesus said it, and you agree with it, and that His words were written in the Bible.

This is why I asked which of these is true, and which is false:

Jesus said in His own voice: "love your neighbor"

Bible quotes Him saying: "love your neighbor"

If the words are the same, then why would anyone suggest you are worshiping the book, which quotes them? You worship Jesus, who said the words, not the item which quotes His words. But then again, its just common sense.
To play your game, it is true that "The Bible quotes Jesus as saying, "Love your neighbor." That Jesus said it is not proven although not necessarily false. It IS true that the words comport with what has been indicated is the basic message of Jesus and they are likely to have been the words used. THAT is the difference between making the Bible the authority and allowing the guidance of the Spirit. The idea expressed is from Christ.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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You can throw that at about anyone. I could claim your own opinion IS your God, because you have never experienced God.

But of course anyone who makes judgments about other people knowing or not knowing God, would have to pretend to know something they simply don't know.
You saw what I said as some sort of judgment? That is curious. I was simply wondering why some people might think the way they do.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:50 PM
 
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That is a bit of a different topic, and requires judgment on who loves their neighbor and who does not.
It does, and none of us have that down or we would all be Christlike. But I think a good rule of thumb is that if your words or actions disparage and harm another, it's not loving your neighbor. People have indeed, in the past and in our time, used the words of the Bible to do just that while using "its the Word of God" as reason enough to do so.
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Old 07-07-2016, 08:53 PM
 
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To play your game, it is true that "The Bible quotes Jesus as saying, "Love your neighbor." That Jesus said it is not proven although not necessarily false. It IS true that the words comport with what has been indicated is the basic message of Jesus and they are likely to have been the words used. THAT is the difference between making the Bible the authority and allowing the guidance of the Spirit. The idea expressed is from Christ.
Exactly. It's the very core of what draws us to God through Christ.
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Old 07-08-2016, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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To play your game, it is true that "The Bible quotes Jesus as saying, "Love your neighbor." That Jesus said it is not proven although not necessarily false. It IS true that the words comport with what has been indicated is the basic message of Jesus and they are likely to have been the words used. THAT is the difference between making the Bible the authority and allowing the guidance of the Spirit. The idea expressed is from Christ.
Nope. If the Spirit guides you to realize the words are the same, and come from God, then how does one have authority over the other?
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Old 07-08-2016, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Fundementalists know that without love they according to the word have NOTHING . Without charity christians
have nothing . I need more time to define nothing including a salvation many believe is written in stone and
cannot be lost? The last time I checked nothing connotes zip. ( the absence of ANYTHING) notta or the big
zero . Many christians with weird personalities, religous philosophies, indifference and a self induced me special
complex often stiff neck those they must love . Hey! you have NOTHING!!!!! On the other hand those who defy
Gods creation plan, spit on His covenants need to shut the hell up about we christians not loving them or worse
hating them which is baloney!!!! We hate yoursins and our sins!!!!
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Old 07-08-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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To play your game, it is true that "The Bible quotes Jesus as saying, "Love your neighbor." That Jesus said it is not proven although not necessarily false. It IS true that the words comport with what has been indicated is the basic message of Jesus and they are likely to have been the words used. THAT is the difference between making the Bible the authority and allowing the guidance of the Spirit. The idea expressed is from Christ.
They are not going to use the same basic message of Jesus because they are using the context of a wrathful God that Jesus suffered and died to appease, nate. The basic message of Christ - agape love - is buried under the corrupt appeasement context. Even the idea that God sent His Son out of love for us all, is buried in the interpretation that Jesus was just obeying God as the designated scapegoat for us. It is a malicious lie and perversion of the actual teachings and message of Christ unambiguously demonstrated by His life and especially His death. It is a true travesty that seemingly has no resolution until the barbaric and asinine belief in a wrathful, eternally damning God is eliminated forever. Love is the only force that can do that, but it is resisted using the "precepts and doctrines of men" created under the "doctrine of demons" that the Bible is the 100% word of God.
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Old 07-08-2016, 06:01 PM
 
Location: New England
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They are not going to use the same basic message of Jesus because they are using the context of a wrathful God that Jesus suffered and died to appease, nate. The basic message of Christ - agape love - is buried under the corrupt appeasement context. Even the idea that God sent His Son out of love for us all, is buried in the interpretation that Jesus was just obeying God as the designated scapegoat for us. It is a malicious lie and perversion of the actual teachings and message of Christ unambiguously demonstrated by His life and especially His death. It is a true travesty that seemingly has no resolution until the barbaric and asinine belief in a wrathful, eternally damning God is eliminated forever. Love is the only force that can do that, but it is resisted using the "precepts and doctrines of men" created under the "doctrine of demons" that the Bible is the 100% word of God.
You know what Mystic, they know this is true but they are so far into what they've attached themselves to, the cost to accept what you've said here appears to a greater cost for them give up their beliefs . I honestly believe when Jesus said men love darkness rather than light, he was referring to the ignorant beliefs about him that men love and will not forsake for the true identity of God that he represented. The other sad thing is, when you walk away from fundamentalism you're far more rejected by your fellow fundamentalist than you ever are by the world when you first become a Christian and out of zealousness try to convert it.
Very good post by the way.

Just Camps speaking from experience
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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On the other hand those who defy
Gods creation plan, spit on His covenants need to shut the hell up about we christians not loving them or worse
hating them which is baloney!!!!
You want people to "shut the hell up"? That's not very loving.
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Nope. If the Spirit guides you to realize the words are the same, and come from God, then how does one have authority over the other?
The Pope of authority has spoken, if you believe they equate to the same thing?
I believe the Spirit is greater than man's written words on unbleached parchment.
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