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No what is illogical is that you get to decide what is 'best for everyone' and whether or not something is 'beneficial or neutral'. Your own moral standards are behind that judgment which is not from God but from the imaginations of your own heart. And you think those standards which you've made up yourself are so right and universal that anyone who disagrees gets hostility and mockery.
But the standards that you hold, do not hold up to the Word of God, which you reject in the first place, so they get rejected by those who do hold up the Word of God. And that just angers you so much that your phony 'agape love' explodes in hostility towards those that uphold Gods moral standards instead of man's selfrighteousness.
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No, I don't get to decide anything for anyone else. As a community, we collectively decide, which means one needs to show how what they think is good or bad for the community actually IS. (Sometimes there are people in power who come along and make unilateral decisions, but that is not how it's supposed to work in our government.)
I do not believe the bible is the "Word of God", you are correct. You continue to think that disagreement with your beliefs equals hostility. It does not, but as long as you remain convinced that it does, that's how you will receive it. It's unfortunate.
They are not going to use the same basic message of Jesus because they are using the context of a wrathful God that Jesus suffered and died to appease, nate. The basic message of Christ - agape love - is buried under the corrupt appeasement context. Even the idea that God sent His Son out of love for us all, is buried in the interpretation that Jesus was just obeying God as the designated scapegoat for us. It is a malicious lie and perversion of the actual teachings and message of Christ unambiguously demonstrated by His life and especially His death. It is a true travesty that seemingly has no resolution until the barbaric and asinine belief in a wrathful, eternally damning God is eliminated forever. Love is the only force that can do that, but it is resisted using the "precepts and doctrines of men" created under the "doctrine of demons" that the Bible is the 100% word of God.
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Originally Posted by Choir Loft
Hostile attitudes are usually representative of those who hate God, Church, Christians, Jews and anyone who has a modicum of morality.
Hostile attitudes are born from a belief in a wrathful God, NOT belief in a God who IS agape love!
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Morality, by the way, is the new four letter word.
Not true. IMPOSED morality for no other reason than your God says so, THAT is the new four letter word. Laws need to be determined by their value to society for maintaining the safety of its citizens. Morality is between each individual and his/her God and only God can enforce it, NOT society. Morality is voluntary and cannot be forced. Laws can, but they have to have a societal harm component to them, period.
Hostile attitudes are born from a belief in a wrathful God, NOT belief in a God who IS agape love! .
Nonsense. There is plenty of hostility from people who reject God even exists, and also plenty of hostility coming from those who keep talking about agape love.
Hostile attitudes are born from a belief in a wrathful God, NOT belief in a God who IS agape love! Not true. IMPOSED morality for no other reason than your God says so, THAT is the new four letter word. Laws need to be determined by their value to society for maintaining the safety of its citizens. Morality is between each individual and his/her God and only God can enforce it, NOT society. Morality is voluntary and cannot be forced. Laws can, but they have to have a societal harm component to them, period.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
No, I don't get to decide anything for anyone else. As a community, we collectively decide, which means one needs to show how what they think is good or bad for the community actually IS. (Sometimes there are people in power who come along and make unilateral decisions, but that is not how it's supposed to work in our government.)
I do not believe the bible is the "Word of God", you are correct. You continue to think that disagreement with your beliefs equals hostility. It does not, but as long as you remain convinced that it does, that's how you will receive it. It's unfortunate.
Fundamentalists consider anyone who rejects their dogma as evil and hostile, Pleroo. It is part of the package. It is sad, very sad.
Fundamentalists consider anyone who rejects their dogma as evil and hostile, Pleroo. It is part of the package. It is sad, very sad.
That is a very dishonest statement. You are considered hostile because of your behavior, not because you reject some beliefs. You can reject anything you want, and no one will consider you hostile until you do or say something hostile.
Hostile attitudes are born from a belief in a wrathful God, NOT belief in a God who IS agape love! Not true. IMPOSED morality for no other reason than your God says so, THAT is the new four letter word. Laws need to be determined by their value to society for maintaining the safety of its citizens. Morality is between each individual and his/her God and only God can enforce it, NOT society. Morality is voluntary and cannot be forced. Laws can, but they have to have a societal harm component to them, period.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Nonsense. There is plenty of hostility from people who reject God even exists, and also plenty of hostility coming from those who keep talking about agape love.
Citations, please???None of the agape love people are hostile to beliefs. They are against the attempts to IMPOSE them on others using the coercive force of society's laws OR to ignore the force of society's laws to discriminate against others. Both of those behaviors are extremely non-agape loving and anti-God since God desires voluntary compliance out of love.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
That is a very dishonest statement. You are considered hostile because of your behavior, not because you reject some beliefs. You can reject anything you want, and no one will consider you hostile until you do or say something hostile.
Citations, please??? The only behavior I am capable of on this forum is expressing my views and defending them.
Citations, please???None of the agape love people are hostile to beliefs. They are against the attempts to IMPOSE them on others using the coercive force of society's laws OR to ignore the force of society's laws to discriminate against others. Both of those behaviors are extremely non-agape loving and anti-God since God desires voluntary compliance out of love.
Citations, please??? The only behavior I am capable of on this forum is expressing my views and defending them.
Re-read the thread starting with post #1 since you have forgotten what it is about. Calling people names is hostile, and you do it routinely. Calling people's beliefs barbaric is hostile.
Re-read the thread starting with post #1 since you have forgotten what it is about. Calling people names is hostile, and you do it routinely. Calling people's beliefs barbaric is hostile.
Is it not obvious that calling OT Jewish beliefs and OT scriptures as barbaric qualifies as "about Christianity" ?
Get with that inner spirit glow would you ... get enlightened.
Re-read the thread starting with post #1 since you have forgotten what it is about. Calling people names is hostile, and you do it routinely. Calling people's beliefs barbaric is hostile.
Calling homosexuals deserving of hell isn't ?.Deny it as much as you want, this is what you believe and it is definitely offensive.
We are all deserving of hell pcamps.. and yes, the Bible is offensive in that way.. truth is offensive! But that doesn't justify hostility in any way, the only way to be saved is the truth, and the truth is though we are deserving of hell, God wants to save us because He loves us and wants to give you His grace if only you'd believe in Jesus Christ. That is the Gospel that's offensive and you hate so much, Jesus Christ came to seek and save the lost out of love.
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