NEVER MIND OPINIONS Where The Real Bible Believers ?
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What the hell is that? It's just a list of like 100 Bible verses?! How is that helpful!
For what it's worth, I do find it interesting that you talk about "real Bible believers" and then post a wall of verses. I was under the impression that actual theologians weren't fans of Bible verses, stating that the Bible wasn't meant to be read as just a verse and rather entire paragraphs and sections are required to give full context to a verse, which is generally only a few sentences as most. Thus, easy to misuse.
But whatever...
They way he uses Bible verses unrelated to their content suggests he has rewritten the whole thing.
How can anyone have anything other than opinion in relation to the Bible? It is all up to the reader's interpretation.
Really, if an artist makes a piece of art with a distinct intention and purpose, can we just make up of it what we want? Can we look at the statue of liberty and say 'wow I see a cangaroo in that', and pretend that's what the designer meanth when he made it? Or that we all just can make up what we want, and it is all equally true? No, the designers intention is what defines the meaning of the art.
Really, if an artist makes a piece of art with a distinct intention and purpose, can we just make up of it what we want? Can we look at the statue of liberty and say 'wow I see a cangaroo in that', and pretend that's what the designer meanth when he made it? Or that we all just can make up what we want, and it is all equally true? No, the designers intention is what defines the meaning of the art.
Not entirely. Firstly, designers don't make art, they make design. Artists makes are. Speaking as a designer, I find the distinction to be highly important. Art and design are not the same thing.
But, in regards to art, while the artists intent has relevance, the ability for others to draw conclusions or disagree with the conclusions of the artists is equally important to art. There are works of art who's origins and intent, many disagree upon. While some art is a little more straightforward, some is a little more loose.
But, comparing a painting or a sculpture to literature is sort of silly. The intent of all three isn't necessarily ever going to be all the similar. One has to ask, what is the Bible?
It's a collection of stories, written by various people with various goals throughout the course of a few thousand years, keeping in mind how often the time period being described in a 'book' of the Bible occurred long before the book was actually written. The book of Exodus, for example, is a combination of rules and laws (and actually, this is pretty much the first 5 books of the Old Testament, Genesis being somewhat of an outlier) while the Paulin Epistles are letters written by Paul (some debatably written by Paul) to various people to explain Christianity. Point being, the Bible does not have one single intention and to suggest otherwise is simply wrong.
Not entirely. Firstly, designers don't make art, they make design. Artists makes are. Speaking as a designer, I find the distinction to be highly important. Art and design are not the same thing.
But, in regards to art, while the artists intent has relevance, the ability for others to draw conclusions or disagree with the conclusions of the artists is equally important to art. There are works of art who's origins and intent, many disagree upon. While some art is a little more straightforward, some is a little more loose.
But, comparing a painting or a sculpture to literature is sort of silly. The intent of all three isn't necessarily ever going to be all the similar. One has to ask, what is the Bible?
It's a collection of stories, written by various people with various goals throughout the course of a few thousand years, keeping in mind how often the time period being described in a 'book' of the Bible occurred long before the book was actually written. The book of Exodus, for example, is a combination of rules and laws (and actually, this is pretty much the first 5 books of the Old Testament, Genesis being somewhat of an outlier) while the Paulin Epistles are letters written by Paul (some debatably written by Paul) to various people to explain Christianity. Point being, the Bible does not have one single intention and to suggest otherwise is simply wrong.
The Bible isn't a collection of stories, it are accounts of historical events. And they aren't up for interpretation, either they did or didn't happen.
What does the Bible have incommon though? The author is the Holy Ghost, God Himself inspired the Scriptures for His intents and purposes. So yes different portions of Scripture have different intentions and meanings, but if you don't know the Author, you won't understand the Bible.
A building has a designer, a piece of art an artist, and a book has a writer. They all have a plan, they all have an intention and a meaning which the designer/artist or writer intended. If you know the author, it's much easier to determine the meaning of something.
If you look at the Bible, you will see that however many different writers it has humanly speaking, it's message is consistently the same through the Old and New Testament. Different angles, different situations, etc. but it all fits together as a beautiful puzzle - even making predictions that come true hundreds of years ahead. Now it's obvious that it has one Author which is God Himself, no human being could come up with this stuff and then have other humans add to it over thousands of years, and keep consistent in the truth of the whole.
What the Bible's intention is, is God revealing Himself to us, calling us to repent from our sin and believe in Him, in Jesus Christ. So that we might be restored into a relationship with Him, obey Him as our Creator, and enjoy eternal life after this life to His glory and our joy.
But this is foolishness to the natural man, so don't be surprised you don't understand.. and you rebel against it. You will rather say everyone can have his opinions about it, just to rid your conscience of the truth of the fact that it's the intent of the Author which defines it's meaning. Not, what do I think this means? No, what does God mean by saying this? And it's by the "foolish" act of faith we can begin to understand the absolute truth of the Bible, not in our own wisdom.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The Bible isn't a collection of stories, it are accounts of historical events. And they aren't up for interpretation, either they did or didn't happen.
What does the Bible have incommon though? The author is the Holy Ghost, God Himself inspired the Scriptures for His intents and purposes. So yes different portions of Scripture have different intentions and meanings, but if you don't know the Author, you won't understand the Bible.
A building has a designer, a piece of art an artist, and a book has a writer. They all have a plan, they all have an intention and a meaning which the designer/artist or writer intended. If you know the author, it's much easier to determine the meaning of something.
If you look at the Bible, you will see that however many different writers it has humanly speaking, it's message is consistently the same through the Old and New Testament. Different angles, different situations, etc. but it all fits together as a beautiful puzzle - even making predictions that come true hundreds of years ahead. Now it's obvious that it has one Author which is God Himself, no human being could come up with this stuff and then have other humans add to it over thousands of years, and keep consistent in the truth of the whole.
What the Bible's intention is, is God revealing Himself to us, calling us to repent from our sin and believe in Him, in Jesus Christ. So that we might be restored into a relationship with Him, obey Him as our Creator, and enjoy eternal life after this life to His glory and our joy.
But this is foolishness to the natural man, so don't be surprised you don't understand.. and you rebel against it. You will rather say everyone can have his opinions about it, just to rid your conscience of the truth of the fact that it's the intent of the Author which defines it's meaning. Not, what do I think this means? No, what does God mean by saying this? And it's by the "foolish" act of faith we can begin to understand the absolute truth of the Bible, not in our own wisdom.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Not true. The Bible is not an historical account of things. Moses is often credited, rather it's valid or not, for having authored the book of Genesis. He had lived long after any of those events passed, even if we accept the 6,000 year creationist model (which I don't).
But then again, you think God wrote the Bible, which is not an especially common view with in mainstream Christianity. Even though the Pauline Epistles were neither written by God, nor would any reason to suggest they were 'divinely inspired' since they were purely the thoughts of Paul. Paul wanted to spread Christianity so he gave various messages, many of which directly contradict the Old Testament (or offer some kind of exception to what's in the Old Testament; as an examples, gentiles who convert to Christianity don't need to get circumcised, despite scripture suggesting they do). The Gospels were all written by onlookers of Jesus, some of which have contradictions within them.
Speaking of the Gospels, why were some of them not included in the Bible? How come only some of the accounts of Jesus were canonized, and not others? Explain why God only picked some people's stories as being valid, but of course, acted through a group of clergymen who decided, probably somewhat arbitrarily, what was true and what wasn't.
The thing is, once you start looking at history and theology, it's impossible to think God himself wrote any of it. But if you ignore that, it's really quite easy. Ignorance makes everything easier.
Tony, why are you unwilling to give your opinion regarding what I have asked you twice already concerning whether dinosaurs existed? The question goes to what you posted on the thread - https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...hn-8-31-a.html where you made the following comment.
''Only brag about Genesis 1 if 1 Timothy 6:20 is your cup of tea despite
dinosaur experts.''
''Dinosaur experts'' by the way are more commonly referred to as paleontologists, who study dinosaurs and other prehistoric life.
Tony, did these fellows exist? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do. Answering it won't take much time away from your next list project.
Over 40 generations of history up to Jesus and no record in that 400,000 year time or longer of
their being dinosaurs.
We agree that before Genesis 1:1 there was darkness with nothing created.
Actually 42 generations from Abraham to Christ alone.
A lot of generations from Moses to Abraham and no talk about a big animal called a dinosaur.
A lot of generations from Christ to the book of Revelation and no talk about them.
Fair to say biology is really deep in the bible not just in Genesis but also the book of Isaiah .
Actually the book of Isaiah is way more deep with biology of things created.
The claim is that they existed millions of years ago.
How misleading to believe that ?
Do you believe somebody cause their on TV or in a book only ?
Do you believe somebody cause they got a college degree only ?
Fair to say the bible speaks like no other book can ever speak cause it's the wisdom of God.
1 Timothy 3:16 is not in the bible for nothing.
So did Satan make up a bunch of dinosaur bones and put them in the ground in order to fool the ''dinosaur experts'' as you call them? Why are there fossils of these prehistory animals if they didn't exist? How did they get there in your opinion?
You do realize don't you that many Christians, including trained theologians are old earth creationists?
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Over 40 Generations Of History Up To Jesus
