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Kjw47: about your concerns as to what was the manner of Christ's death---as my earlier quote from St. Paul seems to indicate he thought the instrument of Christ's passion AND the means of our salvation was indeed a cross and worthy of glorying in. FWIW, here's another: "...but we preach Christ CRUCIFIED---a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks..." (1 Corinthians 1:23) and "Christ was faithful unto death...even to death on the CROSS." (Philippians 2:8).
FWIW, our blessed Savior, Himself referred to living the Christian life as to "...take up your cross and follow me..." (see Matt. 16:24 and Luke 9:23). obviously, Jesus was not adverse to using the word and the concept of suffering that is associated with carrying a cross literally (it's physical heaviness and the pain and discomfort and ultimate physical death it causes) or figuratively (the weight of our sins borne on His shoulders for our salvation).
as for long hair, in the Old Testament not cutting the hair/allowing it to grow was considered part of a vow to the Lord among the Nazirites (literally "consecrated" or "set a apart") and mentioned in Numbers 6:1-21. BTW, Sampson was believed to be of this group and of course we all know what happened when his hair got cut. the Wikipedia article "nazirite" has much more details on the topic---certainly enough to indicate that for certain religious reasons and situations long hair was quite acceptable for Jewish males.
In the peace of Christ.
Hair--1Cor 11:14-- its a dishonor for a man to have long hair--And Jesus would never dishonor his Father.
There is 0 proof in all existence of how Jesus actually died--just a translated greek word=stauros. And the religions that teach a non existent trinity, misleading all who serve it into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily put there trust into men who say it translates cross. The word translated by Catholicism who cannot even understand simple bible milk let alone the meat.
Example-- Gods word teaches( Matt 23:9)--Do not call any man on earth Father( in a spiritual teacher sense) yet they do it 24/7, 365. These religions are misleading all who follow to the lake of fire.
Here is the verse from the Bible: And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Mt. 23:9
Where does it say: "in the sense of a spiritual teacher"? Are you adding to the bible, or using some form of tradition to support your conclusion?
That should come as no surprise. Neither the Catholic church, nor Judaism has claimed to be sola scriptura religious systems. Then again, I have never met a sola scriptura protestant either.
Fact--your Dad is your Father--all of them are called Father--so it had to mean in a spiritual teacher sense--The Pope is no ones Father--He is trying to elevate himself into the position of God by being called-holy Father--there is nothing holy about a pope--they teach a non existent trinity god, misleading 2 billion straight to the lake of fire.
As well Gods word condemns the usage of statues and icons. They teach to bow down to a graven carved image of Jesus on a cross, when in fact, Jesus is sitting on his throne in heaven, he is not in any graven image.
They have shown Jesus in their pictures as a sinner in front of all creation= long hair--Matt 23:9 it is a dishonor for a man to have long hair--Jesus would NEVER dishonor his Father.
They allowed the young men to kill the members of their own religion who stood on the allies side in ww2 for Adolf Hitler-- does one actually think Jesus would condone something so atrocious as that? it dragged Jesus name through the mud. Not to mention the clergy praying to the same god on both sides.( hipocrosy)
KJW47 did you read the wikpedia article I suggested on the "instrument of Christ's crucifixion" and did you notice the info on the Jewish "nazirites" and their wearing of long hair as part of a vow to God?
KJW47 did you read the wikpedia article I suggested on the "instrument of Christ's crucifixion" and did you notice the info on the Jewish "nazirites" and their wearing of long hair as part of a vow to God?
I know what the bible teaches.
Why do I want to listen to Wikipedia--where did they get their info?
every trinity scholar on the earth, knows 100% for sure--YHWH is a single being God--yet they get paid to teach a trinity god lie. And will not help a soul get out of those false religions. They would lose their pay.
as already mentioned, for the long hair thing: look at the story of Samson and his hair but especially see Numbers 6:1-21 that talks about making a vow to the LORD as a Nazirite and in v. 5 "...they MUST let their hair grow long." so AGAIN apparently according to the Old Testament and it's teachings at least there are circumstances and situations where long hair is not only cool but required.
in the peace of Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
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And while I have not yet been able to verify it, supposedly, archaeologists Clermont-Ganneau and P. Bagatti found 1st century headstones of Christians with a cross inscribed on them. Also supposedly, this find was verified by scholars Yigael Yadin, J. T. Milik, and J. Finegan. This is from an article found on various websites, one of them being Jerusalem Burial Cave Reveals Names, Testimonies of First Christians If that information is accurate, that would strengthen the case that Jesus was crucified on a cross rather then on a simply stake.
''The first century catacomb, uncovered by archaeologist P. Bagatti on the Mount of Olives, contains inscriptions clearly indicating its use, "by the very first Christians in Jerusalem." ''
''Found only a short distance from Bethany, Clermont-Ganneau believed it was not a "singular coincidence" that these names were found.
He wrote: "[This catacomb] on the Mount of Olives belonged apparently to one of the earliest [families] which joined the new religion [of Christianity]. In this group of sarcophagi [coffins], some of which have the Christian symbol [cross marks] and some have not, we are, so to speak, [witnessing the] actual unfolding of Christianity." ''
And so, again, if all this is true, then headstones of Christians bearing cross marks would indicate that Jesus was crucified on a cross.
thanks brother Mike for your (as always) helpful and interesting posting. isn't it amazing that a thread which started as a discussion/bar-room brawl on where Mary really is right now and morphs into discussions about so many things--- long hair on Jesus and the nature of how Jesus died!!!
FWIW and IMHO it is NOT especially important to "know" just what kind of object stake or cross Christ died on. OTOH, it IS important that as Christians we believe that Jesus Christ was indeed killed for our sakes and for no sin of His own and that His sacrificial death as the eternal sinless "Lamb of God" brought life, light, and salvation to the world for those who believe He died for them and then try to live their lives according to His example for love of Him and He who sent Him.
again, think what Jesus's physical appearance is really not the issue but instead His question to the disciples then and to us now is, "WHO do you think I AM?"---and our response to that question hopefully shows forth again in the way we live our lives.
Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.
Enoch, Elijah, Mary, Jesus, Mohammad...when will it stop!!!
it may stop when humankind is truly perfect: knowing and understanding all things and needing no help or hindrance from heaven and it's prophets or anywhere else and able to live their lives free of fear of death, disease, hate, ignorance, envy, bad breath, etc. IOW and IMHO and based on what we see happening in the world now and what even recent history shows what's happened in the past that great day of self-fulfillment (and probably self-satisfaction) may NEVER come despite the activities of either the foolish OR the wise. so sorry .
OTOH, it just might stop when instead of thinking that having/getting more money, more power, more guns, more and better drugs, more "me time", and just more stuff in general will make us more happy individually and collectively but instead MAYBE practicing more humility, more kindness, more forgiveness, MORE LOVE might instead bring us to a better place here and maybe even in the hereafter (if such a place exists)---maybe sort of like some of those nice folks you mentioned might have been talking about???
just saying....
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. so sorry 
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