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Old 09-29-2016, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The Great Commission does not mention water.

Why do you add it in to the passage?
So? Jesus was baptized in water. It's speculative to think water baptism is not needed. If you have not been baptized publicly in water, you are at risk.

Matt. 10:32

"Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven."
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:40 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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i'm not sure you can make a case spiritually for "at risk." we have too many examples of people who are considered "accepted" where no baptism is evident or probable imo.
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Everyone wants to be resurrected, but few want to die to receive it (while still in the body). Peace
yup. i prefer to witness your baptism by fire now; don't really care if you had a ceremony.
If that was meaningful for (you), cool.
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Old 09-29-2016, 05:55 PM
 
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i'm not sure you can make a case spiritually for "at risk." we have too many examples of people who are considered "accepted" where no baptism is evident or probable imo.yup. i prefer to witness your baptism by fire now; don't really care if you had a ceremony.
If that was meaningful for (you), cool.
Ooooh.
Blue bird.
You should know better.
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Old 09-29-2016, 06:11 PM
 
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Ooooh.
Blue bird.
You should know better.
should i? i think i could pretty easily find ten verses that imply reliance on a ritual water baptism to make one acceptable and chosen by God is absurd, the importance of water baptism at the opening of the Church Age notwithstanding. I'd start @ but He will baptize you with the Spirit, and with fire and it is only going to get hotter from there. By all means get baptized, but "in mortal danger" or whatever the phrase was, not so much. Let me ask you--did [you], at any time, give the person who told [you] that any money?
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Old 09-29-2016, 06:12 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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it is a fair question.
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Old 09-29-2016, 07:11 PM
 
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It should be apparent that most, if not all, of the early church thought that the ceremony of water baptism was a requirement. Most, if not all, also thought that circumcision was a requirement for new converts until Paul.
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Old 09-29-2016, 07:18 PM
 
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i doubt new converts who grasp Christ will ever stop wanting to be baptized; but the Good Samaritan would scoff at our ideas.
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Old 09-29-2016, 08:50 PM
 
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"Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven."

And that too is very much part of the issue, because the mikvah was a public display of symbolically and ritually cleansing the person who was wanting to be spiritually clean, unlike the common bath in their home, which as I said before was a common part of Jewish life and belief at the time. Paul went to Jerusalem in Acts and ritually cleansed as part of the normal Jewish process involving a vow he made, and before he took his sacrifice and alms to their respective destinations. Peace
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Old 09-29-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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i doubt new converts who grasp Christ will ever stop wanting to be baptized; but the Good Samaritan would scoff at our ideas.

Why do you think that? The Samaritans did mikvah as well. Peace
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:14 PM
 
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Why do you think that? The Samaritans did mikvah as well. Peace
First water then blood.
How the meek will inherit the blood is to a vessels return.
surely a message will reach west to east.

Recently I read and soaked up the word like the forest of ephraim.
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