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Old 10-05-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Well, according to you, yes. You said that only if people reject Jesus will they be condemned to hell. Most people do NOT "reject" Jesus*. They simply do not believe that Jesus, as described in the bible and/or with all the various doctrines that Christianity ties to him, exists.



It'd be like saying that you "reject" Vishnu/Krishna. Unless you believe Vishnu/Krishna actually exists, how can you be guilty of rejecting him?
Will it matter to God?
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Old 10-05-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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Will it matter to God?
You unwittingly admit that your whole religion is threat-based.

Islam is also threat-based: if you don't believe in Allah he will send you to Jahannam (hell). So you may want to consider what might happen to you if Allah is the One True God(tm).
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Old 10-05-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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Will it matter to God?
Jimmie, do you stand behind what you said (that only those who REJECT Jesus will be condemned to hell), or did you want to retract it?
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Old 10-05-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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You unwittingly admit that your whole religion is threat-based.

Islam is also threat-based: if you don't believe in Allah he will send you to Jahannam (hell). So you may want to consider what might happen to you if Allah is the One True God(tm).
Christianity is love-based. It asserts you are drowning and God has come (in Christ) to save you. You don't believe you are drowning. If you indeed are drowning, it won't matter whether you believed it or not.
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Old 10-05-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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Jimmie, do you stand behind what you said (that only those who REJECT Jesus will be condemned to hell), or did you want to retract it?
I never said anything about Hell, but yes, I believe that.
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Old 10-05-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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Christianity is love-based. It asserts you are drowning and God has come (in Christ) to save you. You don't believe you are drowning. If you indeed are drowning, it won't matter whether you believed it or not.
Drowning in the wrath of an angry God, and one person of the Trinity needed to save us all from another person of the Trinity. Multiple personality disorder?

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Old 10-05-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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I never said anything about Hell, but yes, I believe that.
Come now jimmie. You responded to the quote which referenced "hell":

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So a person who gives of their time, money and / or life in the service of others will head for hell simply because--they have not proclaimed / spoken the magic words?
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No, only if they reject Jesus.

John 14:6

"I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." -Jesus


Anyway, you are saying that ONLY if a person rejects Jesus are they condemned to hell. Then you ask me if it will matter to God? Well, you tell me ... if what you say is true, will it matter to God that a person didn't reject Jesus, but simply did not believe what the bible and/or Christianity says about Jesus?
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Old 10-05-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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Christianity is love-based. It asserts you are drowning and God has come (in Christ) to save you. You don't believe you are drowning. If you indeed are drowning, it won't matter whether you believed it or not.
According to Christianity, I'm drowning because God is holding my head under water. God offers to let me live if I obey him unconditionally. He's like a mafia boss.

Loving this guy would be a classic symptom of Stockholm Syndrome.
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Old 10-05-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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Drowning in the wrath of an angry God, and one person of the Trinity needed to save us all from another person of the Trinity. Multiple personality disorder?

Another scenario for you:

Your car manufacturer sends you a notice than all their cars have been recalled. Please bring your car in for a free repair. Don't wait too long, as this problem is serious. You ignore the notice because you don't see a problem. Your engine catches on fire and destroys your car. Whose fault is it?
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Old 10-05-2016, 02:39 PM
 
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Come now jimmie. You responded to the quote which referenced "hell":







Anyway, you are saying that ONLY if a person rejects Jesus are they condemned to hell. Then you ask me if it will matter to God? Well, you tell me ... if what you say is true, will it matter to God that a person didn't reject Jesus, but simply did not believe what the bible and/or Christianity says about Jesus?
Have you read John 3?
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