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Jesus also said, "This is my blood, which is shed for the forgiveness of sins." Why do liberals ignore that?
my reply to that would be that 1) dividing those into "liberals" is surely artificial, and 2) to contrast themselves with the religious, in the same manner that Christ did, perhaps.
see, if a bunch of strongmen assume the mantle of Christ, and go around "pleading the Blood" everywhere, while simultaneously placing hands on degenerate candidates to protect them from "satanic attack," they show themselves to be hypocrites, throwing Christ into suspicion also.
iow it surely does not matter if they "ignore" the words, from your pov, if they then go and pick up their cross, spiritually speaking, hence
A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you
who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision.
and yes, i am aware of the fundamental interpretation of this verse, but one should reflect on the other possible interpretations.
my reply to that would be that 1) dividing those into "liberals" is surely artificial, and 2) to contrast themselves with the religious, in the same manner that Christ did, perhaps.
The liberals here like to throw around the term "fundamentalist", so I decided to join in.
iow it surely does not matter if they "ignore" the words, from your pov, if they then go and pick up their cross, spiritually speaking, hence
A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you
who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision.
and yes, i am aware of the fundamental interpretation of this verse, but one should reflect on the other possible interpretations.
The liberals here like to throw around the term "fundamentalist", so I decided to join in.
hmm. i think if we tried to make a common lexicon of terms, we would see that there is little agreement there. I still have not grasped how "Fundie" is denigrating, myself. Misleading, quite possibly; i would call most fundies "literalists" or something. "Liberal" is a political term, to me; and i view religion and politics as inseparable, can't-have-one-without-the-other, so to me a true "fundamentalist" would not even recognize the term.
amen. a more pointed Q is "does "Love your neighbor" fulfill all of the requirements for salvation? imo
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Such as?
um, well; i would just read the verse without preconceptions, maybe in several translations, and let it speak to you. To me, i roughly get
"a guy who physically does not conform to any of our preconceptions about what a believer looks like, yet picks up their cross and follows Christ in practice will judge the religious guys, who claim to have the only way, yet argue that Christ's Commands must be reconciled with Paul for salvation."
hmm. i think if we tried to make a common lexicon of terms, we would see that there is little agreement there. I still have not grasped how "Fundie" is denigrating, myself. Misleading, quite possibly; i would call most fundies "literalists" or something. "Liberal" is a political term, to me; and i view religion and politics as inseparable, can't-have-one-without-the-other, so to me a true "fundamentalist" would not even recognize the term.
amen. a more pointed Q is "does "Love your neighbor" fulfill all of the requirements for salvation? imo
um, well; i would just read the verse without preconceptions, maybe in several translations, and let it speak to you. To me, i roughly get
"a guy who physically does not conform to any of our preconceptions about what a believer looks like, yet picks up their cross and follows Christ in practice will judge the religious guys, who claim to have the only way, yet argue that Christ's Commands must be reconciled with Paul for salvation."
And I read it while cross-referencing with other scripture.
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