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Old 10-06-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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Is "liberal" denegrating?
not that i am aware of. but it is a political term imo. Ergo, perfectly reasonable in a religious discussion, has no place in a spiritual discussion.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:32 PM
 
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And I read it while cross-referencing with other scripture.
hey, i'd say that that is surely the best way, but i don't think sight should be lost of the fact that the way one interprets reveals their heart. Might that verse be solely about the change of dispensation, from Jew to Gentile? maybe, but this seems needlessly restrictive to me. I suggest that i could build a seemingly neutral cross-reference to make just about any point i wanted.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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And I read it while cross-referencing with other scripture.
what i really want to know is does "Love your neighbor" fulfill all of the requirements for salvation? according to the people that will be...i dunno, babysitting my children? Or how about to you?
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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Christianity is about an advocate that God has a designed purpose for humans as part of His plan in creating an eternity where humans and angels will live with Him forever. At the time when His plan is fulfilled, humans will be divided into the qualified to be in this realm with others not.

What's that to do with selfishness?

It's more or less like you purpose a group of pets, then you put those appeared to be good ones to one place those aggressive ones to the other. What's that to do with the selfishness of your pets?
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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what i really want to know is does "Love your neighbor" fulfill all of the requirements for salvation? according to the people that will be...i dunno, babysitting my children? Or how about to you?
Works, by themselves, no.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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not that i am aware of. but it is a political term imo. Ergo, perfectly reasonable in a religious discussion, has no place in a spiritual discussion.
It's also a theological term.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:23 PM
 
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Works, by themselves, no.
yet Christ said "Love your neighbor; this fulfills the law and prophets." hmm.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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It's also a theological term.
oh, let's be honest; they start as meaningful descriptors, and end as meaningless terms of denigration, to indicate separation, "the other guys." I say "fundie" when i really mean "religious," or "literalist," myself. We argue and magnify differences, when we are all essentially alike, and have much more in common than not.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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Lets get to the real TRUTH of this salvation, saved by grace via penal substitution story..

All those who profess some kind of salvation based on whatever reason--is the IDEA of a life in the hereafter the ONLY reason for your "relationship" with your god / Christ / entity?

I mean, if god took salvation off the table, would your zealousness still be as strong?

After being in the center of the god / Christ / salvation cult for nearly 20 years (1980--1997) before my understanding was broadened, the main drive of nearly EVERY evangelical was to convince others that there is life after death and that this life can be the beginning of an even greater one in paradise / heaven.

Which has me wondering, isn't this push for salvation, life eternity just a whole lot SELFISH?

Has the evangelical zealots clung so tightly to this idea of eternity that so many have forgotten the rest of the story / plan?


How would your life and expectations of the future be changed if salvation was no longer an issue?

What would your "cross" look like and what would others see as you went through everyday life?
Take that away and the nature of God changes. Your question doesn't make sense--because God didn't tell us to just do good works just because...we do them to honor him and in grattitude for what he did for us.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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yet Christ said "Love your neighbor; this fulfills the law and prophets." hmm.
Can you do that while rejecting Christ and still be saved?
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