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The doctrine of the Trinity came about by the church in Rome when Emperor Constantine wanted to form a set of religious beliefs that all churches would agree on, using religion to strengthen his political power. Most of the Christian converts were Greek and Romans that were strongly influenced by pagan religions and Greek philosophers and were new to Christianity. They thought more like polytheist than monotheist. The religious leaders took the bible and cherry picked scriptures that they could apply to a pagan triune godhead to please everybody. Then they called it Trinity, which was a concept totally foreign to the original church.
Yes, I'm well aware of the history of persecution perpetrated by the Roman Church for a variety of doctrinal reasons. Anyone who disagreed with the RC and threatened their stranglehold on the Empire put themselves in grave danger. The Trinity was simply the most egregious corruption of Christendom since it strikes at the very heart of who God is. Correct understanding of the overall thrust of scripture is impossible when one holds to this doctrine. Lack of strict observance of any of the mandates of the RC was very dangerous. The History of the persecution of the Waldensians in the Alps where they took refuge to escape control by the RC is a perfect example. At a more personal level the life and death of Michael Servetus illustrates the cruelty and ruthlessness of the RC and the Vatican.
My understanding is that it was Protestants who had Servetus burned at the stake.
Lol, some people have been thinking for themselves for quite some time.
True, but a lot haven't. And I would include members of my own denomination in that number. Some people have to have someone else tell them what they're supposed to think.
The doctrine of the Trinity came about by the church in Rome when Emperor Constantine wanted to form a set of religious beliefs that all churches would agree on, using religion to strengthen his political power. Most of the Christian converts were Greek and Romans that were strongly influenced by pagan religions and Greek philosophers and were new to Christianity. They thought more like polytheist than monotheist. The religious leaders took the bible and cherry picked scriptures that they could apply to a pagan triune godhead to please everybody. Then they called it Trinity, which was a concept totally foreign to the original church.
No. The doctrine of the Trinity came about based on what God revealed about himself in the Bible. It is not polytheistic in origin, it is not based on Greek mythology. It is what God has revealed about himself.
No. The doctrine of the Trinity came about based on what God revealed about himself in the Bible. It is not polytheistic in origin, it is not based on Greek mythology. It is what God has revealed about himself.
What does the heavenly Jesus reveal about his God at Revelation 3:12 ?
Does God's spirit have a throne at Revelation 3:21 ?
What does the heavenly Jesus reveal about his God at Revelation 3:12 ?
That he is God.
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Does God's spirit have a throne at Revelation 3:21 ?
Yes. We see God's throne in Revelation 4. And we see Jesus being worshiped (and God allowing it) in Revelation 5. If you're going to suggest that God the Father is God over Jesus, then why is this happening? Why would God allow a creation of his to be worshiped ?
Why would Jesus declare himself to be the Alpha and Omega in 1:18?
That he is God.
Yes. We see God's throne in Revelation 4. And we see Jesus being worshiped (and God allowing it) in Revelation 5. If you're going to suggest that God the Father is God over Jesus, then why is this happening? Why would God allow a creation of his to be worshiped ?
Why would Jesus declare himself to be the Alpha and Omega in 1:18?
How can the heavenly resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus be God when he has a God over him ? - Rev 3:12
Why are only 2 thrones mentioned instead of 3 thrones at Revelation 3:21 ?
Worship in Scripture can be in a relative sense, and Not just absolute.
Worship, obeisance, or bowing down - Deuteronomy 5:9; 6:13; Revelation 13:4, 15-17; 14:9-11
Who did Jesus teach to worship at John 4:23-24 ? ______
The title Alpha and Omega is used 3 times in Revelation. (KJV uses it at Rev. 1:11)
Rev. 1:7-8 although verse 7 speaks of Jesus, the application of verse 8 is to the Almighty God.
Rev. 21:6 the speaker is Jesus' heavenly Father
Rev. 22:13 is a joint coming in judgement - Isaiah 26:21; Isaiah 44:6; Malachi 3:1-6
How can the heavenly resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus be God when he has a God over him ? - Rev 3:12
Because he claims to be in Rev 1:18. He doesn't claim in 3:12 that God is God above him. He uses the phrase "my God'. That doesn't mean in the context that he is not God and God is.
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Why are only 2 thrones mentioned instead of 3 thrones at Revelation 3:21 ?
Because Jesus is going to sit on the right hand of God.
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Worship in Scripture can be in a relative sense, and Not just absolute.
Worship, obeisance, or bowing down - Deuteronomy 5:9; 6:13; Revelation 13:4, 15-17; 14:9-11
Who did Jesus teach to worship at John 4:23-24 ? ______
God.
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The title Alpha and Omega is used 3 times in Revelation. (KJV uses it at Rev. 1:11)
Rev. 1:7-8 although verse 7 speaks of Jesus, the application of verse 8 is to the Almighty God.
And in v. 18 he says he is the Alpha and Omega, Almighty God. The one who died and is now alive. If you want to suggest that it was not referring to Jesus, tell me when Almighty God died.
Because he claims to be in Rev 1:18. He doesn't claim in 3:12 that God is God above him. He uses the phrase "my God'. That doesn't mean in the context that he is not God and God is.
The fact that He refers to His Father as "my God" can mean only that He looks to His Father as being "above Him." And if He doesn't make it clear enough there, how could it be any more clear than He makes it in John 14:28 when He says, "My Father is greater than I"?
My understanding is that it was Protestants who had Servetus burned at the stake.
Yes, it was a Protestant City Council that did so at the urging of Calvin, but the Catholic Church agreed with it, Pleroo.
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