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Episcopalians tell practicing homosexuals--- you are saved
The bible says the opposite. Those teaching the opposite of what Jesus would teach are his opposite.
Jesus taught that we are to love God and our neighbors.
Episcopalians tell everyone they are welcome to participate in the community of those who believe that.
Jesus taught that we are to love God and our neighbors.
Episcopalians tell everyone they are welcome to participate in the community of those who believe that.
Then out of a loving heart and concern for those standing in opposition as the bible clearly shows--points out the facts to them right? Its not a sin to be a homosexual, its a sin to practice it. same with a man having sex with a woman out of marriage. The bible is clear--they will NOT enter Gods kingdom-1Cor 6:9-11
Then out of a loving heart and concern for those standing in opposition as the bible clearly shows--points out the facts to them right? Its not a sin to be a homosexual, its a sin to practice it. same with a man having sex with a woman out of marriage. The bible is clear--they will NOT enter Gods kingdom-1Cor 6:9-11
The Episcopal Church, and others like it, believe that we are to use the ability to reason that God gave us. We know the epistles were written by a human in a certain time and place for a certain reason, and study them with that in mind. We equate neither the author nor his work with God. Your tiresome quoting demonstrates nothing but your own self-righteous pride.
Jesus's words to love God and others trump all else.
The Episcopal Church, and others like it, believe that we are to use the ability to reason that God gave us. We know the epistles were written by a human in a certain time and place for a certain reason, and study them with that in mind. We equate neither the author nor his work with God. Your tiresome quoting demonstrates nothing but your own self-righteous pride.
Jesus's words to love God and others trump all else.
None of them were God. I do understand that you think God literally dictated the letters they produced, so maybe that's how they are the same as God to you.
We believe they were human beings and their writing is a human attempt to put into human words that which is beyond true human understanding.
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None of them were God. I do understand that you think God literally dictated the letters they produced, so maybe that's how they are the same as God to you.
We believe they were human beings and their writing is a human attempt to put into human words that which is beyond true human understanding.
God didn't write any of it, including the words of Jesus, which you put great stock in (and rightfully so). It's disingenuous to believe John when he quotes Jesus, but not which he writes his epistles. Peter also walked with Jesus, yet you dismiss his words as mere words of men.
God didn't write any of it, including the words of Jesus, which you put great stock in (and rightfully so). It's disingenuous to believe John when he quotes Jesus, but not which he writes his epistles. Peter also walked with Jesus, yet you dismiss his words as mere words of men.
Not "mere" at all. Important words, but they have to be taken in the context of when and to whom they were written, and studied, and what we understand from them at one stage in our growth may be a different understanding at another.
You want to just learn to recite the quotes as we did as children to earn stars in our Sunday School chart, and then that's it. Not delve into a deeper study of their meaning in the context of real life, not question anything. Just memorize and say "well, God said XYZ, so call it a day".
That's the major differerence between fundamentalists and non. I admit, your way is easier. It's black and white, you just whip out a memory verse to apply to any given situation...however, some have found that the answers aren't simple, because God isn't simple, and so we dig deeper, asking God for guidance in understanding better. We'll never be able to know it all because of our imperfections.
Not "mere" at all. Important words, but they have to be taken in the context of when and to whom they were written, and studied, and what we understand from them at one stage in our growth may be a different understanding at another.
You want to just learn to recite the quotes as we did as children to earn stars in our Sunday School chart, and then that's it. Not delve into a deeper study of their meaning in the context of real life, not question anything. Just memorize and say "well, God said XYZ, so call it a day".
That's the major differerence between fundamentalists and non. I admit, your way is easier. It's black and white, you just whip out a memory verse to apply to any given situation...however, some have found that the answers aren't simple, because God isn't simple, and so we dig deeper, asking God for guidance in understanding better. We'll never be able to know it all because of our imperfections.
Well said. Too bad most churches don't major on preaching against greed because they are only obsessed with sex. Greed is one of the seven deadly sins, but no one ever discusses it as something dangerous. And pride -- not too many ministries warning against pride which God hates. Fundamentalists have a one track mind -- to condemn homosexuals and subjugate women. They are nothing like Jesus as far as I'm concerned.
The Parable of the Two Sons
28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’
29 “ ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”
“The first,” they answered.
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Not "mere" at all. Important words, but they have to be taken in the context of when and to whom they were written, and studied, and what we understand from them at one stage in our growth may be a different understanding at another.
You want to just learn to recite the quotes as we did as children to earn stars in our Sunday School chart, and then that's it. Not delve into a deeper study of their meaning in the context of real life, not question anything. Just memorize and say "well, God said XYZ, so call it a day".
That's the major differerence between fundamentalists and non. I admit, your way is easier. It's black and white, you just whip out a memory verse to apply to any given situation...however, some have found that the answers aren't simple, because God isn't simple, and so we dig deeper, asking God for guidance in understanding better. We'll never be able to know it all because of our imperfections.
You do realize you're scoffing at the precise context and expectations God has for people that Jesus had in mind when becoming a *little*-child of Christ. God said what He meant and conversely meant what He said which subsequently carries the same weight in the inspired Word of God ... the Bible.
It actually is no less "a demonstrates nothing but your own self-righteous pride" attitude to question then God's Word the Bible on the basis of something in the Bible being archaic.
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Reason: clarity ... hopefully :/
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Really? Peter, John, James? (bolded above)
None of them were God. I do understand that you think God literally dictated the letters they produced, so maybe that's how they are the same as God to you.
