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No one goes to hell for committing a sin, willful or otherwise. Jesus already paid the penalty for any sin you will ever commit whether you are a believer or an unbeliever. The only reason anyone will be separated from God forever is because they have not trusted in Christ Jesus for eternal life. Sin in the believer's life, willful or otherwise simply puts the believer out of fellowship until such time as he simply acknowledges the sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. Sin can result in divine discipline in time, but not a loss of salvation.
Too bad for those that don't have a Bible or access to a Christian preacher, eh? This IS where the knowledge for salvation or not comes from rather than from within ...right?
No one goes to hell for committing a sin, willful or otherwise.
That sounds familiar.
Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die
No one goes to hell for committing a sin, willful or otherwise. Jesus already paid the penalty for any sin you will ever commit whether you are a believer or an unbeliever. The only reason anyone will be separated from God forever is because they have not trusted in Christ Jesus for eternal life. Sin in the believer's life, willful or otherwise simply puts the believer out of fellowship until such time as he simply acknowledges the sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. Sin can result in divine discipline in time, but not a loss of salvation.
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Originally Posted by scgraham
That sounds familiar.
Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die
It was Adam's original sin which resulted in the fall of the human race and which results in our being born spiritually dead. Our own personal sins were never imputed to us for condemnation but were instead imputed to Jesus as He hung on the cross and was judged for them in our place.
Since Jesus was judged for our personal sins as our substitute, God cannot condemn us for committing a sin for which Jesus already paid the penalty. Jesus' redemptive work on the cross removed sin as a barrier between God and man. As a result, the issue is simply whether or not a person will place his trust in the finished redemptive work of Christ on the cross. Those who do are credited with the perfect righteousness of Christ and given eternal life. Those who don't remain under condemnation because they have not believed. Those who don't place their faith in Christ Jesus have only their own imperfect righteousness to stand on which is not acceptable to God and so they must remain under condemnation even though the sin issue has been resolved.
Too bad for those that don't have a Bible or access to a Christian preacher, eh? This IS where the knowledge for salvation or not comes from rather than from within ...right?
The knowledge of salvation is shared from one person who is a believer to another. The Word is God is shared among normal human relationships.
Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die
What's the difference between a baby that dies from health complications and the death of Jesus? Neither committed a sin - yet the physical body of the infant returns to the ground... however, death could not hold the physical body of Christ.
I know of a Christian man well into his 40's and still a virgin. He is adamant on waiting until marriage. We had discussions on viewing porn and he was open about his viewing habits. I don't understand the fact that he refuses to have sex before marriage bit thinks it's okay to view porn. I don't see the sin being worse than the other.
first of all SEX is marriage..
what you do in the church is for people and for the state. what happens in the bedroom after that is the marriage..
so sex/consummation before there is a courtroom of witnesses to verify a eternal commitment is still marriage! and why Jesus says all things are lawful but not all things are beneficial.. meaning Like
if one doesn't not consummate with anyone else it is still a valid marriage even with out witnesses or what the other person does ... and that is why it was ok for Hosea to marry a prostitute because she didnt' make him guilty any sin .
the one who consummates with someone else is in adultry.
I don't understand FORN-ication... but i am sure it has to do with PORN and at what point it crosses over into adultery or whatever is shades of dark grayness that I have no intention of trying to figure out.
so in actuality your question shows you do not know what God's idea of marriage even is .
I can say is what he is doing with Porn is as sinful as adultry.... but because it wasn't with real women but with made up ones... the consequences of his sins will FEEL less and be somewhat less .
considering he is 40 and hasn't found anyone he considered not insane , or that he wanted to marry proves his sin has had effects on him as woman can FEEL he is a defiler /lust after many woman or that he is defiled already.
so his sins are already being reaped he just doesn't realize how in bondage to those sins he is..
but the women around him know what he is doing, they can feel it from him... like a stench .. and they don't want to be defiled like he defiles the women in those books. so his lonely and miserable life will stay with him until he is no longer chained to filth. because no woman wants to crawl into that filthy head and live in the stench of defilement . just fyi!
and ONLY Jesus and His spirit will set him free from those chains and all that filth. ONLy Jesus can wash him and clean him and make him a New man with a new head and heart.
It was Adam's original sin which resulted in the fall of the human race and which results in our being born spiritually dead. Our own personal sins were never imputed to us for condemnation but were instead imputed to Jesus as He hung on the cross and was judged for them in our place.
Since Jesus was judged for our personal sins as our substitute, God cannot condemn us for committing a sin for which Jesus already paid the penalty. Jesus' redemptive work on the cross removed sin as a barrier between God and man. As a result, the issue is simply whether or not a person will place his trust in the finished redemptive work of Christ on the cross. Those who do are credited with the perfect righteousness of Christ and given eternal life. Those who don't remain under condemnation because they have not believed. Those who don't place their faith in Christ Jesus have only their own imperfect righteousness to stand on which is not acceptable to God and so they must remain under condemnation even though the sin issue has been resolved.
Mere belief is not faith. What do the Scripture teach?
Ephesians 4
23
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
It was Adam's original sin which resulted in the fall of the human race and which results in our being born spiritually dead. Our own personal sins were never imputed to us for condemnation but were instead imputed to Jesus as He hung on the cross and was judged for them in our place.
Since Jesus was judged for our personal sins as our substitute, God cannot condemn us for committing a sin for which Jesus already paid the penalty. Jesus' redemptive work on the cross removed sin as a barrier between God and man. As a result, the issue is simply whether or not a person will place his trust in the finished redemptive work of Christ on the cross. Those who do are credited with the perfect righteousness of Christ and given eternal life. Those who don't remain under condemnation because they have not believed. Those who don't place their faith in Christ Jesus have only their own imperfect righteousness to stand on which is not acceptable to God and so they must remain under condemnation even though the sin issue has been resolved.
Perhaps, I have you confused with someone else called David. Do you watch porn, or lust after a woman in a bathing suit?
first of all SEX is marriage..
what you do in the church is for people and for the state. what happens in the bedroom after that is the marriage..
so sex/consummation before there is a courtroom of witnesses to verify a eternal commitment is still marriage! and why Jesus says all things are lawful but not all things are beneficial.. meaning Like
if one doesn't not consummate with anyone else it is still a valid marriage even with out witnesses or what the other person does ... and that is why it was ok for Hosea to marry a prostitute because she didnt' make him guilty any sin .
the one who consummates with someone else is in adultry.
I don't understand FORN-ication... but i am sure it has to do with PORN and at what point it crosses over into adultery or whatever is shades of dark grayness that I have no intention of trying to figure out.
so in actuality your question shows you do not know what God's idea of marriage even is .
I can say is what he is doing with Porn is as sinful as adultry.... but because it wasn't with real women but with made up ones... the consequences of his sins will FEEL less and be somewhat less .
considering he is 40 and hasn't found anyone he considered not insane , or that he wanted to marry proves his sin has had effects on him as woman can FEEL he is a defiler /lust after many woman or that he is defiled already.
so his sins are already being reaped he just doesn't realize how in bondage to those sins he is..
but the women around him know what he is doing, they can feel it from him... like a stench .. and they don't want to be defiled like he defiles the women in those books. so his lonely and miserable life will stay with him until he is no longer chained to filth. because no woman wants to crawl into that filthy head and live in the stench of defilement . just fyi!
and ONLY Jesus and His spirit will set him free from those chains and all that filth. ONLy Jesus can wash him and clean him and make him a New man with a new head and heart.
They don't realize those things attract spirits, and that discerning of spirits in a believer can detect the uncleanness like catching a whiff of spoiled meat. Peace
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