The difficulty of salvation (gnostic, priests, Jacob, Biblically)
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Would it be fair to summarize this by saying that you trust God's love to deal with your guilt?
no and then sort of ...
you have to find the narrow way and find the gate first.
before you can have a relationship with him.
because AKA" I never knew you" if your not on his path and never have been.. if you stole your way in the back door and you aren't on his path then you are not his anything ..
He lays the tracks for his church/people to follow .. get on the train and go where it goes or your not HIS anything.
and then stealing his concepts and trying to beat him over his head with just one of them.
you can't guilt him or beat or blackmail him into forgiving you either.
I'm done with your guys circular questions and hiding .
bye .. but really guys grab his book and hit your knees running. become part of him and his family .. there is salvation and there is love.
But he only love you if you love him by believing in him. So much for believing the scriptures
I love him "BECAUSE">>>>>>>>>> He FIRST loved me.
Sure, I know that's the conditional nature of God's love, as nX understands it. And I know she doesn't think I have the right to trust God. That doesn't bother me, because I don't need anyone's permission to do so. But, that she says she trusts God's love to deal with her guilt is at least a point of agreement between us, even if she doesn't see it that way.
no and then sort of ...
you have to find the narrow way and the gate first.
before you can have a relationship with him.
because AKA" I never knew you" if your not on his path and never have been.. if you stole your way in the back door and you aren't on his path then you are not his ..
What do you believe the narrow way and gate are?
How did you find it?
What enabled you to find it when others haven't?
What enabled you to get in/on the gate/way?
I think maybe he chose me and you can assume he chose you right? wrong.
men still have to chose to follow his way and his path or not.
his path starts with the word.
I think maybe he chose me and you can assume he chose you right? wrong.
men still have to chose to follow his way and his path or not.
his path starts with the word.
No, I don't think God chose me. Or you.
By the "word", I assume you mean bible. One has to read the bible to be on the path. Been there, done that, for 50+ years. What's next?
Sure, I know that's the conditional nature of God's love, as nX understands it. And I know she doesn't think I have the right to trust God. That doesn't bother me, because I don't need anyone's permission to do so. But, that she says she trusts God's love to deal with her guilt is at least a point of agreement between us, even if she doesn't see it that way.
I know, and i am glad that whatever others think about how you see things does not move you. It's a very good sign of having something real.
I did not realize nX is a she .
How they can't understand that all ARE loved and not "will be loved" is beyond me. This whole thing of God changing his tune towards us because you say you believe in him, is so ludicrous, it leaves you bewildered.
I know, and i am glad that whatever others think about how you see things does not move you. It's a very good sign of having something real.
Thanks camps. And I know you didn't mean it this way, but just to be clear, I am often moved by how other people see things. Many on these forums, Christians and non-Christians alike have moved me, and shown me a new way of seeing things. The one thing no one can convince me of is that I can't trust the God who is love. It does not compute.
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I did not realize nX is a she .
Difficult to tell on a forum. And, I'm sure she understands and is not offended that you didn't know, any more than I'm offended that she's called me a boy and a dude.
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How they can't understand that all ARE loved and not "will be loved" is beyond me. This whole thing of God changing his tune towards us because you say you believe in him, is so ludicrous, it leaves you bewildered.
We both say that ... and then we remember that we once thought the same thing. I'm bewildered by former me, too.
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I'm bewildered by former me, too.
