Not many talk about this verse John 8:15 (believers, heaven, judgement)

[Pleroo]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

It does say that one must be born again to enter the kingdom of God...it says unless one believes they are condemned, etc. It does draw a distinction between the believer and the unbeliever, and it is clear that they don't go to the same place.

Do you think the "kingdom of God" is a "place" one enters after they die?

[Pleroo]

Originally Posted by Pleroo

Pcamps has often asked the question, and I've never seen it answered by a "fundie" like you call yourself:

You have not always been believing, correct? So then, what was your experience of being "condemned already" during that time period before you were believing?

You may have missed this BF. ^^^

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

I'm the one advocating for reading it in context, not just ripping one verse out of context, as the OP did, and as many on here are suggesting. You need to read 3:18 and 8:15 in context.

YOU are doing that which YOU accuse others of doing without comprehending it.
I really don't need to read two verses, and prefer to read all of them in context.

You know, from the beginning to the end - it increases your overall comprehension.

[nateswift]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Context is a tough thing for some to understand. I get it.

Pre-determined mindset is a tough thing for some to overcome, I get that.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by nateswift

Pre-determined mindset is a tough thing for some to overcome, I get that.

Yes. It is. I hope you manage to do so.

[nateswift]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

The text really doesn't say that. It says we are "judged", or "condemned", according to the context.

Nor does the text say "condemned." and the context in not an indicator of the nature od "judged."

[nateswift]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Weird how John 3 doesn't actually say that. One really has to do some reading into the text to get that.

Like reading into the text comes up with "condemned?"

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by nateswift

Like reading into the text comes up with "condemned?"

Or just reading it as it was written.

[Pleroo]

Having BaptistFundie here is like having Vizio back. He always avoided responding to posts, too.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by Pleroo

Having BaptistFundie here is like having Vizio back. He always avoided responding to posts, too.

what posts have I avoided responding to?