Your opinion. Is Jesus, God manifested in the flesh? (punishment, Matthew, trinity)
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Excessive and prejudiced loyalty or support for one's own cause, group, or gender.
Which amounts to nothing more than flag-waving or blind patriotism.
"literalist", that think a belief statement about god (for or against) is a good base for a line of logic whined up hurting a whole lot of people. Like those that think a flag is the meaning instead of what it really is; a focal point.
Lucky for us, relentless common sense usually stops these milli/fundies. A little late to be sure, but none the less RCS stops it.
So you believe He laid down His life in obedience to God and NOT in love for us all because we knew not what we did? What a sad view of God and diminution of the sacrifice Jesus made to show us the TRUE NATURE of God. IMO, your view diminishes God and the significance of the horrendous scourging and crucifixion Jesus allowed Himself to suffer just to obey a command from a vengeful God who was impotent to forgive us without it. I see NO love at all in that scenario which is why I reject it completely.
Oh, Mystic, why do you feel the need to twist things so? I'm so sorry you think I see God as vengeful and impotent. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm going to have to calm down before I try to respond to this post.
Oh, Mystic, why do you feel the need to twist things so? I'm so sorry you think I see God as vengeful and impotent. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm going to have to calm down before I try to respond to this post.
Ah, I think the sticking point for Mystic is the use of the word "commandment." It implies obedience as opposed to volition. Maybe you can see Mystic's point in relation to his perception of "Atonement."
yup, and if we have an emotional reaction we need to understand why. How is that emotional response, to something different then our belief, affecting what we believe to be real.
One of my favorite verses on the Deity of Christ, from the Old Testament:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
It may be one of your favorite verses, however, Christ Jesus is not the eternal or everlasting Father.
So you believe He laid down His life in obedience to God and NOT in love for us all because we knew not what we did? What a sad view of God and diminution of the sacrifice Jesus made to show us the TRUE NATURE of God. IMO, your view diminishes God and the significance of the horrendous scourging and crucifixion Jesus allowed Himself to suffer just to obey a command from a vengeful God who was impotent to forgive us without it. I see NO love at all in that scenario which is why I reject it completely.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Oh, Mystic, why do you feel the need to twist things so? I'm so sorry you think I see God as vengeful and impotent. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm going to have to calm down before I try to respond to this post.
The sacrificial system was the only conclusion there could be, as a result of mankind embracing limited choices. If all the pieces of the jigsaw fit together its because they had to, irrespective of what motive or objective position one views it from.
One of my favorite verses on the Deity of Christ, from the Old Testament:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
It may be one of your favorite verses, however, Christ Jesus is not the eternal or everlasting Father.
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Originally Posted by Chanokh
Gods Word disagrees with your word then, let's see who will end up being right, God or His creature.
Perhaps, you just don't know as much as you think you do.
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