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No, that is not true. That is simply your opinion of a God, you do not know.
A belief system which claims that God condemns people to eternal torment for not believing and/or doing the right things, portrays God as similar to, and infinitely worse than, an abusive spouse. "Love me, or else" is not love, nor is it freedom.
What is there to refute? You are describing what you were. You were a fascist nazi. I believe it, and feel sorry for you. I am simply saying I was never like that, and my brothers and sisters in Christ were never like that. You assume everyone is like you were, which simply proves you a part of something else, and that you don't know anything about Evangelical Christianity.
So you support gay marriage?
So you don't believe the Bible to be infallible and inerrant?
So you don't believe all atheists and Christians not of your ilk are going to hell?
So you don't believe criticism of Christianity equals apostasy?
So you don't believe nationalism and Christianity are the same?
So you don't believe that the acceptance of the virgin birth is necessary for salvation?
So you don't believe in young earth creationism and accept scientific evolution?
So you don't believe women should be barred from the pastorate?
Believing that if you don’t make your spouse angry he won’t hit you, does not equal love nor being free.
And believing that if you believe and/or do the “right” things, God won’t torment you for eternity is also not love nor freedom.
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Denial is freedom from reality. You can insist you are immortal, but you are only denying reality. It might feel like 'freedom', but it is fake.
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You are deflecting from the fact that, in your belief system, God is similar to (and infinitely worse than) an abusive spouse.
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No, that is not true. That is simply your opinion of a God, you do not know.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
A belief system which claims that God condemns people to eternal torment for not believing and/or doing the right things, portrays God as similar to, and infinitely worse than, an abusive spouse. "Love me, or else" is not love, nor is it freedom.
A belief system which claims that God condemns people to eternal torment for not believing and/or doing the right things, portrays God as similar to, and infinitely worse than, an abusive spouse. "Love me, or else" is not love, nor is it freedom.
So you support gay marriage?
So you don't believe the Bible to be infallible and inerrant?
So you don't believe all atheists and Christians not of your ilk are going to hell?
So you don't believe criticism of Christianity equals apostasy?
So you don't believe nationalism and Christianity are the same?
So you don't believe that the acceptance of the virgin birth is necessary for salvation?
So you don't believe in young earth creationism and accept scientific evolution?
So you don't believe women should be barred from the pastorate?
Welcome to the world of being a liberal!!!
You are all over the place with your definitions. Pick one and stick with it.
1 million threads and 1 billion comments about hell prove who is paranoid to anyone actually watching this parade of stupid statistics and ignorant questions of purely blind goofiness. very sad parade of complete ignorance of the human condition. when the simple fact is "hell" is cooler than "heaven" !! and no one including Christians understands that simple truth. the biggest difference is who getting prepared for what place ! what do your actions reveal about what place you are preparing with all your heart and soul for?
but you all can make statistics scream anything if you twist them hard enough. and you can find video after video of some profoundly ignorant person of every sort saying just about any dang thing. it means little to nothing.
and you really need to talk to Jesus about all your fear issues..
Now Goodbye and Good luck blind man .. and Yes I Do have a great Big fluffy Love bucket in the sky who gives his kids good gifts and Lots of LOVE .. // But that is another story! But nowadays I even think trips to the Woodshed is Loving. because he is a Good Good Father. it helps me to watch some of you, to Know what it is exactly all those trips assure that I was saved from being.
yep even the woodshed, it is all Love.. His Love sets us free from things that only exist between humanities right and left ear.. like fear of hell..
did you know if you love HIM there can be no fear of hell? But because you shriek in fear of him...you fear hell. so is it he is scary or you are just paranoid?
Adam and Eve One day just got paranoid too. that day that they died in their spirit.
did you know the word Eden Means His presence...
when they rebelled they died to his presense.. and like the wild animals were with Jesus.. someday His presence comes back and there will never be any more fear. why because all who dont love and don't know Love will be removed .. so his presence / eden can come back..
Your fundamentalist thinking is all I fear. Right now it has divided our nation, pulled out the neo-Nazis and anti-Antisemitists into attacking minorities, and tried to impose its morality code on the majority of Americans who oppose it. There is reason to fear it. You are attempting to do what the Nazis did---social engineer America into your own view of a theist state! Your failure to understand that speaks volumes toward your inability to accept morality outside the covers of your book. And even more volumes about your god-beliefs that accept Scriptures like these as from God:
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How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.
Psalm 137:9
Should Americans in Afghanistan dash the heads of the Taliban's children against the rocks? If that repels you and goes against your sense of morality and justice, why give your god a pass for doing the same things? Yes, we must fear YOU.
You may abhor the violence, but there is no difference between what your goal is and that of ISIS.
Your reduction of God to Santa Claus in the Sky is actually heresy, because God does NOT reward or punish based on whether we are good or bad---and Jesus refuted the OT belief that said the same:
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The Lord will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. The Lord will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the Lord your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom.
Deut 28:12-13
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“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
Matt. 5:43-46
You may believe Scripture in your own way--but only when it allows you to shape your god in a fashion that opposes what Jesus brought to earth.
You are all over the place with your definitions. Pick one and stick with it.
Oh, I see--several questions are too difficult for you.
Let's try just one for which you can give just a yes or a no:
Do you believe same-sex marriage goes against your god beliefs?
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