JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis (allegory, disciple, quotes, Matthew)
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The Truth burns them like holywater on a vampire. I can visualize them smoking while they read something that is contrary to their made up religion.
This was actually quite humorous. You do have some creative talent, Sum Tingy, that could be put to better use in fiction. The persona you've created on here, while narrow in scope, could make an interesting peripheral character. The preacher standing on the street corner shouting into the air. The religious zealot in the town meeting. The father upset because his daughter is dating a non-Christian.
I don't recall talking about your sins. You'll have to refresh my memory.
Not me personally, not lately anyway, but others. More to the point of my statement though...where does self examination fit into your walk with Christ?
Finn, answer the question or wrestle with it.
Instead of calling someone else to the mat.
She made a claim and I asked her to back it up.
You don't get away from it by asking a question of your own. That is a deflection. You are the deflector in chief, so it is not surprising you'd be here to help someone else to deflect, using your own method.
Yes, everyone needs to do some self-examination. I have promoted that on many occasions. Would you like me to re-post the "examine yourself" sermon jam one more time? Nah, you look it up. I have posted it enough times.
I'm not sure about your observation. Most of either type I've spoken to don't even know who Lewis was....
Christians today are incredibly dull as far as their literary and theological background is concerned. If they read at all, which is a rare thing, they usually dabble in Rowling or King. Visit a neighborhood garage sale and you'll see the type of thing people usually read.
Bible study? Nope. My mother was an Episcopalian that was as constant as a clock regarding attendance, but she absolutely refused to read the Bible. When I got saved she thought I'd gone off the deep end.
One of mom's favorite pastors was later arrested for molesting teen agers with learning disabilities. The fellow lost his mind when the Bishop ran off with his wife. True story, very sad. Remember Bishop Pike? This idiot walked off into the Judean desert looking for spirituality of some sort. Was never seen again. If he'd looked in his Bible he might have saved himself a hike.
At one time I considered going into the ministry, but was advised by the chairman of the committee of ministries that I wouldn't be allowed to assume the orders of priesthood because of my belief in Jesus as savior. When asked to recant, I refused. These were the type of opinionated idiots and moral cretans that were leading the church in the 60's and 70's. The folks in the congregation were never challenged by anything other than weekly readings from the prayer book. Read Lewis? Who's that they'd ask.
I left Episcopal and never went back.
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Last edited by Choir Loft; 04-04-2018 at 12:25 PM..
I'm not sure about your observation. Most of either type I've spoken to don't even know who Lewis was....
Christians today are incredibly dull as far as their literary and theological background is concerned. If they read at all, which is a rare thing, they usually dabble in Rowling or King. Visit a neighborhood garage sale and you'll see the type of thing people usually read.
Bible study? Nope. My mother was an Episcopalian that was as constant as a clock regarding attendance, but she absolutely refused to read the Bible. When I got saved she thought I'd gone off the deep end.
One of mom's favorite pastors was later arrested for molesting teen agers with learning disabilities. The fellow lost his mind when the Bishop ran off with his wife. True story, very sad. Remember Bishop Pike? This idiot walked off into the Judean desert looking for spirituality of some sort. Was never seen again. If he'd looked in his Bible he might have saved himself a hike. At one time I considered going into the ministry, but was advised by the chairman of the committee of ministries that I wouldn't be allowed to assume the orders of priesthood because of my belief in Jesus as savior. When asked to recant, I refused. These were the type of opinionated idiots and moral cretans that were leading the church in the 60's and 70's. The folks in the congregation were never challenged by anything other than weekly readings from the prayer book. Read Lewis? Who's that they'd ask.
I left Episcopal and never went back.
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
That was your experience, though. You can't apply your Episcopalian mother's habits across the board to the whole Episcopal Church, and from what I understand, the EC is very different from its "frozen chosen" past in the decades you mentioned.
My parish had a bible study every Tuesday night up until the priest retired last year. Also, as I've pointed out about a hundred times before, I did not grow up in the Episcopal Church, but one of the things that struck me is that they read more from the Bible--not the BCC, the Bible--during a service than any other church I've ever attended. They follow the same liturgical calendar as the Catholic Church, which people also like to claim never reads the Bible. And yet, at every single mass/service, there is an OT reading, a Psalm, an Epistle, and the Gospel. Four good-sized passages read and then the priest finds a theme (or tries to, lol) to tie them together for the sermon, which concludes with a reminder that we are to love God and our neighbors.
In most other churches I've attended, including the one in which I grew up, it seems the pastor takes one or two verses out of context and then blathers on about it for half an hour, forty-five minutes.
There is also the difference that the Episcopal Church seems more scholarly than some of the others. If the OT reading is from Isaiah, the priest might explain that it was written by three authors over a period of 150 years--before the Exile, during the Exile, and after the Exile. He will then explain what the author was saying during this period and discusses how we might apply those words to ourselves now, but this is different from claiming the words are God speaking directly to us word for word.
As I've also said a hundred times on here, it's not the "right" church, it's just a branch of Christianity, but for those who may be reading and honestly want information, I feel it necessary to correct you and the others on here who seem intent on trashing and dismissing that branch. For many people who seek Christianity but are not accepted everywhere, an Episcopal parish may be the only church where they will ever be made to feel welcome, and I want that to be known.
Last edited by Mightyqueen801; 04-04-2018 at 12:44 PM..
Bible study? Nope. My mother was an Episcopalian that was as constant as a clock regarding attendance, but she absolutely refused to read the Bible. When I got saved she thought I'd gone off the deep end.
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