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Putting your faith in Jesus of the Bible and repenting of your sins is the main theme of Christian faith and is the key to salvation. Making up your own god pretty much negates both of these concepts.
I/ we don’t send people to hell. It is not up to me who gets to be saved. But Jesus is very clear on this subject. Denying God on who He is probably one of the worst things you can possibly do.
Love is the foundation on which faith is built, otherwise you're nothing but a noisy gong or clanging cymbal.
Are you saying there is something in the Bible that Jesus did not say, jimmie? That is a breakthrough. We may be getting somewhere. How can we know what in the Bible is and is not consistent and compatible with what Jesus said or would have said? What test should we use? I guess we better understand and use the "mind of Christ" as our benchmark. Where are the characteristics of the Holy Spirit (who IS God) described?
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Are you saying Paul’s words really came from Jesus, Doc? That is a breakthrough. We may be getting somewhere.
Cute. What do you use to decide what is actually from Jesus and what is not? Using your feelings or preferences based on the indoctrination of the "precepts and doctrines of men" will not work. You need to use an absolute standard - agape love - the one revealed, described in detail, and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus using His body and His very life.
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Oh, this is a new tack for you. I wonder how long you'll stick with it.
I personally believe many of Paul's writings are inspired by the spirit of God, but not all.
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To be clear, I believe 2 Tim. 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:21. However, Mystic quoted Corinthians as if Jesus actually said those words in the gospels. I pointed out that he did not.
Why 2 Tim (attributed to Paul) and 2 Peter (disputed authorship). How do you decide they are consistent and compatible with what Jesus would have taught? What is your test of their spirit?
Cute. What do you use to decide what is actually from Jesus and what is not? Using your feelings or preferences based on the indoctrination of the "precepts and doctrines of men" will not work. You need to use an absolute standard - agape love - the one revealed, described in detail, and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus using His body and His very life.
Why 2 Tim (attributed to Paul) and 2 Peter (disputed authorship). How do you decide they are consistent and compatible with what Jesus would have taught? What is your test of their spirit?
Why did you quote Corinthians and attribute those words to Jesus? Was it a mistake, as I suggested? If not, you should have explained what you were doing.
But he is reported as saying, "everyone will be seasoned with fire,...." according to Mark's gospel, and a favourite UR verse, with respect to its all inclusiveness and the process Father uses to refine all. Seems to be the understanding Paul had too.
Paul said it, but he was not talking about what Mystic thinks he was talking about. Paul was talking about Christians (those who build on foundation of Christ) who won't receive rewards for their worthless works, but are still saved through that faith. It says nothing about those who build on foundations other than Christ.
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Paul said it, but he was not talking about what Mystic thinks he was talking about. Paul was talking about Christians (those who build on foundation of Christ) who won't receive rewards for their worthless works, but are still saved through that faith. It says nothing about those who build on foundations other than Christ.
Love is the foundation of Christ Jesus, not your dogma.
Love is the foundation of Christ Jesus, not your dogma.
I said foundation of Christ. Period. Either you build on that, or you build on something else. Those who build on that foundation will be saved, and other will not. It is not complicated.
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
The 3 key verses in Eph 2:1-10, that evangelicals either conveniently ignore or interpret to mean being saved from eternal hell. If it is the latter then they are masters of interpreting scripture to say something it isn't.
Basically it is saying you were dead in sin, Christ made you alive that you live in good works, which He prepared in advance for all of us to do, why? because anything else is falling short of God's best for us.
Paul said it, but he was not talking about what Mystic thinks he was talking about. Paul was talking about Christians (those who build on foundation of Christ) who won't receive rewards for their worthless works, but are still saved through that faith. It says nothing about those who build on foundations other than Christ.
It's got nothing to do with rewards. A god of reward and punishment is a carnal natured God, made in man's image. It is simply to do with whether you have built with wood, hay and stubble or with silver and gold. You either have what you built being burned up and is no more, or you have the satisfaction of refined character, and likeness of Christ. But it is clear that all are 'saved', if you hold to a weak doing narrative, rather than I am-ness.
It's got nothing to do with rewards. A god of reward and punishment is a carnal natured God, made in man's image. It is simply to do with whether you have built with wood, hay and stubble or with silver and gold. You either have what you built being burned up and is no more, or you have the satisfaction of refined character, and likeness of Christ. But it is clear that all are 'saved', if you hold to a weak doing narrative, rather than I am-ness.
Be assured, it is not about universal salvation. You have even deceived.
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