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As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
The 3 key verses in Eph 2:1-10, that evangelicals either conveniently ignore or interpret to mean being saved from eternal hell. If it is the latter then they are masters of interpreting scripture to say something it isn't.
Basically it is saying you were dead in sin, Christ made you alive that you live in good works, which He prepared in advance for all of us to do, why? because anything else is falling short of God's best for us.
Yep, that is it... the kingdom is now, ..... which will cover the earth as the waters covers the sea
Since God is NOT counting our sins against us, WHY would this happen and who would accuse anyone? Why would they not simply reap what they sow and be saved "as by fire" as Jesus said?
1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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But he is reported as saying, "everyone will be seasoned with fire,...." according to Mark's gospel, and a favourite UR verse, with respect to its all inclusiveness and the process Father uses to refine all. Seems to be the understanding Paul had too.
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Paul said it, but he was not talking about what Mystic thinks he was talking about. Paul was talking about Christians (those who build on foundation of Christ) who won't receive rewards for their worthless works, but are still saved through that faith. It says nothing about those who build on foundations other than Christ.
This scripture is not about individuals being salted with fire, it is about “the church” which is “the body of Christ” being raised on earth, which are the sons of God.
Divisions in the Church
1Co 3:1 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready,
1Co 3:3 for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way?
1Co 3:4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?
1Co 3:5 What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each.
1Co 3:6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth.
1Co 3:7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth.
1Co 3:8 He who plants and he who waters are one, and each will receive his wages according to his labor.
1Co 3:9 For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it.
1Co 3:11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—
1Co 3:13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
1Co 3:14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?
1Co 3:17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
1Co 3:18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,”
1Co 3:20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”
1Co 3:21 So let no one boast in men. For all things are yours,
1Co 3:22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours,
1Co 3:23 and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.
It's way too sacred to speak of in this place.
But, of course we are all going Home one day...even the worst of us...the Father's Love is beyond imagination
and He will never let any of us go..ever...it would not, could not be possible.
And this is not a belief...I didnt read about it...no one told me this...it is not wishful thinking...
I had never heard of Universlism...had to look it up last year.
xo
Is it not interesting that the Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world, after performing the awesome feat of feeding the 5000, turned to His disciples and said "gather up the remnants that remain, that nothing be lost."
How is it possible to possibly conceive that our Lord is more interested in bread and fish than the mass of mankind for whom He gave His life? He loses NOTHING!
Universalism is a man made religion worshiping false god(s). You should stop the silliness and turn to the true Lord
The Bible is the product of man's ideologies; and their highest capstone is that of sin and death.
Try not to fall or jump without a parachute as the ground will rise quicker than you ever imagined.
Not sure what your point it. Church is made up of individuals.
Man made churches are made up of individuals, but the called out people of God are not building physical buildings to congregate, they are building the temple of God
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Rev 21:24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it,
Rev 21:25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there.
Rev 21:26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.
Rev 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Man made churches are made up of individuals, but the called out people of God are not building physical buildings to congregate, they are building the temple of God
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Rev 21:24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it,
Rev 21:25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there.
Rev 21:26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.
Rev 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Is it not interesting that the Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world, after performing the awesome feat of feeding the 5000, turned to His disciples and said "gather up the remnants that remain, that nothing be lost."
How is it possible to possibly conceive that our Lord is more interested in bread and fish than the mass of mankind for whom He gave His life? He loses NOTHING!
There is so much symbolic stuff in the scriptures that work together, 2 witness in the old and the new.
We are to eat Christ’s body,
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