Lord Jesus, are there few that be saved? (evolve, faith, Catholic)
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Yet you cannot see that the action in 1 Timothy 2:4 is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive, or that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subject’s response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.
Do you even know what you are talking about? I suggest you read 'Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics.'
You do realize that there are 6 different nuances to the indicative mood?
'The verbal action or state with reference to its actuality or potentiality'
Potential Indicative: Sematically equivalent to a potential mood, due to the verbal root; found in verbs of obligation, wish, or desire followed by infinitive.
Do you know what follows in the Greek - you guessed it an infinitive.
I don't have time to teach someone as stubborn and raw as yourself - unless you want to pay me
See things are not as cut and dry as your so-called sources want you to believe or because you are not up to speed on these matters. Not that you give a rats you know what - just stick with you feelings. It must be nice to ignore so much simple context and these linguistic nuances.
Feelings have nothing to do with a methodology to understand what a text is saying. How this is not clear by now is beyond me.
What you are demanding is to stagnate (or "re-stagnate") understanding to the primitive, ignorant level of our ancestors by ignoring millennia of knowledge and understanding of the human condition.
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05-31-2018, 06:08 PM
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What you are demanding is to stagnate (or "re-stagnate") understanding to the primitive, ignorant level of our ancestors ignoring millennia of knowledge and understanding of the human condition.
BS! I am demanding that you, fairly, accept what was said - period! Our growth in understanding does not change the text and their ignorance.
At least the 'Fundies' got something to work with as a foundation and try to use a methodology to arrive at and defend their points. These cats got their feet firmly planted in mid air.
As much as the fundamentalist says they are not under the law, a closer look at what believe it becomes obvious they are. Under the law there is no freedom to be creative(this is it, like it or lump it) and if you are unable to create then your foundation is not solid from the get go, the only creating being done is digging yourself in a bigger hole. Universalists can match fundamentalists scripture for scripture, and the universalists that have studied in great depth that also believe the scriptures are inerrant and infallible(who i happen to believe have strong fundamentalist leanings too), can blow your average fundy that has believed everything he's been taught at funday school away with ease.
You under estimate feeling,there is not much in life that is not proceeded by a feeling. I actually like you calling me a cat with my feet firmly planted in thin air,good feeling gives you lightness in your spirit.
But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him.
My foundation is reality/truth based upon reason, logic, evidence, with a good dose of skepticism. It's all we got!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but your point here was NOT what people believe, but how they back it up.
05-31-2018, 06:32 PM
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Universalists can match fundamentalists scripture for scripture, and the universalists that have studied in great depth that also believe the scriptures are inerrant and infallible
You under estimate feeling,there is not much in life that is not proceeded by a feeling. I actually like you calling me a cat with my feet firmly planted in thin air,good feeling gives you lightness in your spirit.
I have been showing otherwise!
I don't underestimate feelings - it just does not have anything to do with exegesis.
05-31-2018, 06:35 PM
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but your point here was NOT what people believe, but how they back it up.
Correct! I don't believe in these things that Paul, Peter, or John are writing about but as a student of Greek and Linguistics and former Christian myself I know that they are not universalists and the passages that are being passed around are grossly misinterpreted by them.
Correct! I don't believe in these things that Paul, Peter, or John are writing about but as a student of Greek and Linguistics and former Christian myself I know that they are not universalists and the passages that are being passed around are grossly misinterpreted by them.
What brand? I'm not saying this is you or anything but at first I could ONLY see the Bible they way I was trained to see it. When I was in the group I only heard the voice of judgement. When I read it without the influence I heard the voice of Grace. I guess is what I'm asking is do you still see the message of the Bible the same as when you were a believer?
I don't underestimate feelings - it just does not have anything to do with exegesis.
I'm yet to see it. Jesus took scriptures that the scribes and pharisees had mis interpreted and set them straight on them, do you think they said "You know what Jesus you're right?", like hell did they, they had made their bed in their biased based mis interpretation of scripture and no amount of critical explanation of them was going to make them see that he too was the exact presentation of the scripture in human form. Feeling has everything to do with it, they were absolutely at home seeing things only through their preconceived opinion.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but your point here was NOT what people believe, but how they back it up.
Show me where in scripture that scripture is the method how we are to back up what is of the Spirit and what is not.
Did the disciples have to wait for the New Testament to be written so that Jesus could bring to remembrance what he taught them?.
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It must be nice to ignore so much simple context and these linguistic nuances.
