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I disagree this is a homosexual thing. They had easier access to boys than girls. They also had even easier access to each other if this was about homosexual sex. If they had sex among themselves they ran less of a risk of getting caught, could have saved time grooming victims and could have saved money on buying gold crosses for children to mark them as victims.
Also, that doesn't address the huge cover up that went on.
It is a terrible situation. However, the primary objective is the safety and well being of children, not political correctness. To dismiss or skew facts about a sub culture puts children in even greater danger.
I think many of us can agree that these pastors and priests need to be arrested and prosecuted. Not only for the benefit of society but for their own souls. It is amazing what hard labor can do to one’s mindset.
Yes, it's obvious the establishment is trying to conceal the abnormality and sin of homosexuality. The establishment will go to any extent to pervert God's way; they're corrupt evil doers.
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Originally Posted by scgraham
So true. It's just a matter of time. Perversion will not miraculously end with homosexuality.
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I can link to studies that show homosexuals commit pedophilia up to seven times greater than heterosexuals. The studies were done by God fearing Christian men and not driven by a secular ideology in which the outcome was skewed in favor of a particular group. But I have a feeling that most people on the board are not concerned with the real Truth.
It is a terrible situation. However, the primary objective is the safety and well being of children, not political correctness. To dismiss or skew facts about a sub culture puts children in even greater danger.
I think many of us can agree that these pastors and priests need to be arrested and prosecuted. Not only for the benefit of society but for their own souls. It is amazing what hard labor can do to one’s mindset.
I'm glad you see it that way. When you talk about this like it's a homosexual thing it looks like you are trying to scapegoat and have no intention of discussing the real problem The real problem (as we both see it) is that kids are at risk. I'd like to see this situation resolved first(it's not just Catholics so they're not the only ones who can put pressure on those who allow it) and then we can move onto name calling and blame if we feel like it still.
Edit: what do you think of them using a cross to signal a victim? I'm an atheist and that floors me with the level of disrespect it shows.
I'm glad you see it that way. When you talk about this like it's a homosexual thing it looks like you are trying to scapegoat and have no intention of discussing the real problem The real problem (as we both see it) is that kids are at risk. I'd like to see this situation resolved first(it's not just Catholics so they're not the only ones who can put pressure on those who allow it) and then we can move onto name calling and blame if we feel like it still.
Edit: what do you think of them using a cross to signal a victim? I'm an atheist and that floors me with the level of disrespect it shows.
All forms of child abuse is wrong. The cross gimmick is in very poor taste. I can’t imagine that their faith is real.
It is a terrible situation. However, the primary objective is the safety and well being of children, not political correctness. .
If you want to greatly increase the likelihood all kids are safe, keep them away from the RCC and its perverts. View a church as you would an address listed as a residence of anyone on a sexual abuser register.
The latest Boston and Pa pervert rate amongst the clergy in these extremely large population regions exceeds 10%.
If I had a batch of grapes and 10% were poison, I would toss the entire batch out.
When you repress or suppress the natural inclination ...it manifests itself in other ways. Let them have their own wives; and stop forcing people to be eunuchs! Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to castrate every priest or those who like their porn? But I do believe that those who violate (rape and molest) innocent women and children should be.
So forced celibacy leads to someone becoming a pedophile who is attracted to the same sex?
I tend to think even if all priests were allowed to have wives, this problem would still be exactly the same.
I can link to studies that show homosexuals commit pedophilia up to seven times greater than heterosexuals. The studies were done by God fearing Christian men and not driven by a secular ideology in which the outcome was skewed in favor of a particular group. But I have a feeling that most people on the board are not concerned with the real Truth.
Yet, a source of mine stated 80% of those he evaluates for recidivism identify as male (herteroseual) Christian fundamentalists. And he is not swayed by a preconceived bias or prejudice to protect some kind of sentiment that you hold onto with a tight-grip?
When you repress or suppress the natural inclination ...it manifests itself in other ways. Let them have their own wives; and stop forcing people to be eunuchs! Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to castrate every priest or those who like their porn? But I do believe that those who violate (rape and molest) innocent women and children should be.
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So forced celibacy leads to someone becoming a pedophile who is attracted to the same sex?
I tend to think even if all priests were allowed to have wives, this problem would still be exactly the same.
Fundamentalists claim to be God fearing and have a healthy sex life in the bonds of marriage, yet they are the one's who commit most of the abuse against children. They also have some of the highest divorce rates in the bible-belt. In addition, 77% of these have an addiction to porn. Where do you believe it comes from, if not from a form of repression or suppression? And this is not restricted to homosexuality.
Church doctrines, especially within extreme fundamentalism are not always right or correct, and young people get married in a lot of cases for the wrong reasons. I would NEVER condemn my children who are of age and consent of their own freewill to experience or express their own sexuality. Especially, with the threat of eternal damnation. Although, this does not mean that I would approve of them sleeping with everyone they meet. However, it is a choice they have to make for themselves without feeling guilty or being condemned by the self-righteous. This is another reason why I am not a fundamentalist.
Ultimately, it will lead to PEOPLE having secrets, otherwise they will be shamed by the status quo. But by no means should we allow innocent children to be abused by anyone, regardless of their authority.
We're living in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah just as Jesus said would happen in the final days. These homosexual priests match the account in Genesis.
Genesis 19
[1] And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
[2] And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
[3] And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
[4] But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
[5] And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
[6] And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
[7] And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
[8] Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
[9] And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
[10] But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
[11] And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
[12] And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
[13] For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
I have never heard any actual accounts of homosexual men congregating around anyone's home demanding that the occupants be brought out to be gang-raped. Is this a typical 'gay thing' in scgraham's neck of the woods? Is this the kind of thing gay people do in the minds of scgraham and his merry band of Christian fundies? If it isn't then what is the relevance of quoting the above piece of (likely) fiction?
* Note: Perhaps the biggest lie perpetrated by the clergy on to the laity, those who sit in the pews of most evangelical churches absorbing such nonsense like sponges, is that Sodom (and Gomorrah) were destroyed because of rampant homosexuality. It's a complete fabrication, folks ...don't fall for it! In fact - hey, this is an idea! - why not read all of the biblical references pertaining to S&G yourselves where you too will arrive at the truth ...the truth being that there is NEVER a mention of homosexuality AT ALL in any of these accounts! Your preacher is a liar. But you continue to defend his credibility. Talk about a 'cover-up'!
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Jesus said:
Luke 17
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe [Noah], so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man [Jesus].
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot [Sodom and Gomorrah]; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Does the above have any relevance to the subject matter of this thread?
Note: I personally am sick to the back teeth (as my mother used to say) of the pious ones who offer up biblical texts and apply them to any topic whether they be relevant or not.
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