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Dear Mike: You are in luck! On this very thread is Jerwade who knows what aionios and aidios means and a whole lot more.
In our ongoing effort to keep you up to snuff (without consulting the non- Canon) let us now continue our sources (yes Mike there are more to come)>>>>>>
The New Testament has ONLY one word which can truthfully be translated as ETERNAL. This is the Greek word Aidios which is used only twice: For since the creation of the world GOD'S invisible qualities - His eternal (aidios) power and divine nature - have been clearly seen.
However, if you read it carefully, you will see a difference between Jude 1:6 and Jude 1:7, whereas, they do not use the same Greek WORD. The fire speaks to that of an age, a period of time, not something that is without a beginning or an end. Nobody would use two different words two describe the same thing, unless - they were speaking English, as there is a difference in their application. Any divergence or variance is worthy of attention and significant - if you’re not playing the ignorant card.
The fire goes out once it has served its purpose.
It’s not a reference to that which is Eternal (aidios), having no beginning or end.
The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion) or eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) beyond this life is sadly mistaken.
It’s a limited duration of aionion (age-abiding) kalasin (chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with any kind of punishment or life for that matter.
Dear Mike:
I do trust Canon Farrar has been some help for you. I also trust Dr. Jenkins has also provided a vehicle of illumination. Perhaps we will look at the man of God G. Campbell Morgan next.
Maybe just maybe.....but logic has no place in a hardened heart. It will take a sign or something to convince him.
Dear Mike: You are in luck! On this very thread is Jerwade who knows what aionios and aidios means and a whole lot more.
In our ongoing effort to keep you up to snuff (without consulting the non- Canon) let us now continue our sources (yes Mike there are more to come)>>>>>>
The New Testament has ONLY one word which can truthfully be translated as ETERNAL. This is the Greek word Aidios which is used only twice: For since the creation of the world GOD'S invisible qualities - His eternal (aidios) power and divine nature - have been clearly seen.
However, if you read it carefully, you will see a difference between Jude 1:6 and Jude 1:7, whereas, they do not use the same Greek WORD. The fire speaks to that of an age, a period of time, not something that is without a beginning or an end. Nobody would use two different words two describe the same thing, unless - they were speaking English, as there is a difference in their application. Any divergence or variance is worthy of attention and significant - if you’re not playing the ignorant card.
The fire goes out once it has served its purpose.
It’s not a reference to that which is Eternal (aidios), having no beginning or end.
The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion) or eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) beyond this life is sadly mistaken.
It’s a limited duration of aionion (age-abiding) kalasin (chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with any kind of punishment or life for that matter.
Dear Mike: You must resist insulting my few friends. In fact Mike, resist insulting everyone (Rosey excluded LOL).
As promised, we will now hear from a man who has forgotten more than most of us will ever learn on this side of the Glory. His name= G. Campbell Morgan, author of many wonderful books.
George Campbell Morgan
Regarding “Eternal”
In His book “God’s Methods with Man” the Rev. G. Campbell Morgan says this about the word “eternal”:
“Let me say to Bible students that we must be very careful how we use the word “eternity.” We have fallen into great error in our constant use of that word. There is no word in the whole Book of God corresponding with our “eternal,” which, as commonly used among us, means absolutely without end. The strongest Scripture word used with reference to the existence of God, is–“unto the ages of the ages,” which does not literally mean eternally.
Let us remember however that the self-same word, which is thus used in connection with the existence of God, is also applied to the loss of the human soul. Men have divided the Church, separated from each other, and persecuted one another, upon a thought conveyed by an English word which has no equivalent in the Bible.”
and you don't have a clue what you are looking at.. it has squat to do with God.. and everything to do with a man's blood line which gives him right to rule... and thus who's your daddy .. but in that case it was Who is your momma...!
just because you read it/ see it like it is God, because that is your fears...... and intellectuals that aren't and the sciences that don't .........
like allah is an ancestor ( those people ancestor worshippers and ) MOhammid as recorded and clearly picked his "God" from their pantheon of
Baals) baals were their ancestors and not gods, but " daddy'' it even means "Husbands ( of a certain kinds of wives) or owners of their wives properties " .. because Baals/ Baluum is their Fathers... it's daddy!! )
.. and greek "God's" you all call the Titans( pre flood sized humans, preflood where a horse could get 30- 40 ft tall ) ) are just their ancestors, sons of Noah , Ham Shem and Japheth that .... that no one can seem to wrap their heads around God's realities and those preflood conditions which made everything giants!! Remember Ham was cursed for doing something to HIS dad? / thus "went to hell" ( south to maybe Australia? South America ? south of the equator !! ) etc. oh well.. humanity loves to save stories of who their daddy is ! and play that childhood game called " my daddy is bigger than your daddy" .. daddy's who really were HUGE.. that fact demanding ot be recorded in history !!
and the so called(intellectuals that aren't and the sciences that don't ) .... they just don't .. will never get it..
Everything is a god to them because that is how they see humanity and our ancients! They fearfully see humanity fearful impose their fears of God onto them. When truth is the words should be translated more like husbands =DADDY!
Baals is = Baluum ( south america) .= husbands of certain kinds of wives = Fathers..
the real point of those kind of statues is usually "who's is your momma.." anyway !!
Dear Mike: You are in luck! On this very thread is Jerwade who knows what aionios and aidios means and a whole lot more.
In our ongoing effort to keep you up to snuff (without consulting the non- Canon) let us now continue our sources (yes Mike there are more to come)>>>>>>
The New Testament has ONLY one word which can truthfully be translated as ETERNAL. This is the Greek word Aidios which is used only twice: For since the creation of the world GOD'S invisible qualities - His eternal (aidios) power and divine nature - have been clearly seen.
However, if you read it carefully, you will see a difference between Jude 1:6 and Jude 1:7, whereas, they do not use the same Greek WORD. The fire speaks to that of an age, a period of time, not something that is without a beginning or an end. Nobody would use two different words two describe the same thing, unless - they were speaking English, as there is a difference in their application. Any divergence or variance is worthy of attention and significant - if you’re not playing the ignorant card.
The fire goes out once it has served its purpose.
It’s not a reference to that which is Eternal (aidios), having no beginning or end.
The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion) or eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) beyond this life is sadly mistaken.
It’s a limited duration of aionion (age-abiding) kalasin (chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with any kind of punishment or life for that matter.
Dear Mike:
I do trust Canon Farrar has been some help for you. I also trust Dr. Jenkins has also provided a vehicle of illumination. Perhaps we will look at the man of God G. Campbell Morgan next.
No, Jerwade doesn't know the meaning of the words aionios and aidios, or of the word kolasis. Neither do you, nor apparently does any other Universalist. I've shown how the terms were used in the ancient non-biblical texts I provided in posts #185 and 210, both in Greek and in English so that it can be clearly seen.
Unlike Jerwade, actual Greek scholars know how the terms were used and what they mean.
Think of your best friend or closest family who is not a Christian. If you both died at the same time and God gave you the option to give up heaven to prevent your friend/family member from going to Hell, would you do it? Both of you would simply disappear from existence.
What we have here is another post from someone pretending to care and seeking understanding, who really wants to 'expose' believers for 'hypocrisy'
No, Jerwade doesn't know the meaning of the words aionios and aidios, or of the word kolasis. Neither do you, nor apparently does any other Universalist. I've shown how the terms were used in the ancient non-biblical texts I provided in posts #185 and 210, both in Greek and in English so that it can be clearly seen.
Unlike Jerwade, actual Greek scholars know how the terms were used and what they mean.
And you will remain or be forever, religiously, pious and desperate.
No, Jerwade doesn't know the meaning of the words aionios and aidios, or of the word kolasis. Neither do you, nor apparently does any other Universalist. I've shown how the terms were used in the ancient non-biblical texts I provided in posts #185 and 210, both in Greek and in English so that it can be clearly seen.
Unlike Jerwade, actual Greek scholars know how the terms were used and what they mean.
Dear Mike: I am shocked your at home study of koine is yielding such an arrogant tone.
I know an old guy on another Board who can leave even you breathless with his level of study "at graduate level", and prepared to show you what real arrogance is. No, he is not a believer in the Restitution of all things!
Rosey will leave you (for the moment) with your at home study of kolasis. We shall look closely at that a little later: in the meantime can you tell us what olethros means?
The Greek word, and the messianic idea it attempts to represent, are focused on condition or character, not time or length of time. In focus is a new age that is different from the current age, in kind and quality. The focus is not on how long in terms of time sequence.
The Greek word, and the messianic idea it attempts to represent, are focused on condition or character, not time or length of time. In focus is a new age that is different from the current age, in kind and quality. The focus is not on how long in terms of time sequence.
I don't take 'crash' courses. As i told the other poster, if you can read, and if you can comprehend what you read, which I'm beginning to doubt, then go to post #185 and read and comprehend what 4 Maccabees 10:15 and what Diodorus Siculus say concerning the terms. Usage determines the meaning of words, and there are instances in which the context in which αἰῶνα is used refers to unending duration. It is also true that αἰῶνα refers to quality of life. Life in the age to come is unending, and for the believer is of the quality resulting from being in being in the presence of God forever. For the person who has died without Christ, the quality of unending existence away from the presence of the Lord is one of shame and everlasting contempt as Daniel 12:2 puts it.
Here's one more for you. From the book of Wisdom in which the term αἰῶνα ζῶσι clearly has reference to unending duration. The righteous do not live for a limited period of time in the age to come. And life after death is not a temporary existence. Life after death is unending in duration.
Wisdom 5: 14 For the hope of the ungodly is like dust that is blown away with the wind; like a thin froth that is driven away with the storm; like as the smoke which is dispersed here and there with a tempest, and passeth away as the remembrance of a guest that tarrieth but a day. 15 But the righteous live for evermore; their reward also is with the Lord, and the care of them is with the most High.
What we have here is another post from someone pretending to care and seeking understanding, who really wants to 'expose' believers for 'hypocrisy'
Actually, its more for you than for me. I'm not pretending, I DID expose exactly what I expected to expose. Most Christians believe they can fool their God into believing they love everyone like the Biblical character Jesus, when in reality, they do it all for selfish reasons.
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