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Sorry my friend, but you've lost this battle. You're down for the count, whipped like cream, played like a banjo and put in the fridge where the egg's are coolin, butter's gettin hard, and the light don't shine.
Quoting one of my Laker favorites: Chick Hearn...LOL
They don't say that the person "shall" confess that Jesus Christ is Lord either.
But you may certainly quote where it does say that if I am wrong on this matter.
you are wrong as these other two scripture attest.
Is. 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Ro.14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
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Of course I can see that you were counting on my not knowing the full context of that scripture.
Isa 33:14, The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isa 33:15, He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
Isa 33:16, He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
Obviously you had to go back and reread those scriptures. So if those scriptures are speaking of eternal torment as you believe please enlighten to us why the righteous stand in the everlasting burning?
I know we debate these two knuckleheads for the sake of others but only a Damascus moment will cure them. What arrogance and pride especially in Charlie's posts, opposite of humility. Is this a fruit of the spirit ?
That is in Gods hands and timing brother all we can do is plant the seed even if we plant it in stony ground.
We've already provided the text (Php 2:10-11). And also the reason why the verbs are being used in the aorist tense, subjunctive mood. The subjunctive mood is being used within a dependent (or rather purpose) clause (the word "that", Gk "ἵνα", signaling purpose, or reason, and being dependent on v.9). And, within that context, the verbs mean "will" bow and "will" confess, not should, but rather "will". I explained this to you in a previous post, and even showed you accurate and literal translations of the text, but I obviously failed.
The reason, I believe, that Paul chose that grammatical usage, is that it perfectly expresses the "willingness" for all to confess Jesus is Lord. It was simply the perfect way for Paul to say it. And it leaves no room for doubt. All will confess to the saving of the soul (Rom 10:10).
Hold on there Doc, this ain't over yet! By a long shot.
Jesus said it was finished 2000 years ago (Joh 19:30). You sound like a tired old wolf making his last taunts at the Good Shepherd's sheep. Trust me, the sheep have been taking victory laps around your ol' wolf pack for a good while now. You just haven't noticed.
Jesus said it was finished 2000 years ago (Joh 19:30). You sound like a tired old wolf making his last taunts at the Good Shepherd's sheep. Trust me, the sheep have been taking victory laps around your ol' wolf pack for a good while now. You just haven't noticed.
Yes, the redemptive work of Christ was finished 2000 years ago and He is seated at the right hand of the Father until His enemies are made His footstool.
But the scripture says "whosoever will may come" it's a choice, Guru. Not all will come, you yourself can see that on this forum!
The scripture shows no second chances either, that is a man made declaration.
The scripture shows no quenching of the fire once they are cast in the lake of fire.
The scripture shows no end to the torment of the lake of fire, also a man made declaration.
Those cast in the lake of fire whose names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life are never heard of again in scripture.
Jesus said it was finished 2000 years ago (Joh 19:30). You sound like a tired old wolf making his last taunts at the Good Shepherd's sheep. Trust me, the sheep have been taking victory laps around your ol' wolf pack for a good while now. You just haven't noticed.
all he and his cohort are doing is laughing at God saying He started to build a tower and is unable.
Jesus said it was finished 2000 years ago (Joh 19:30). You sound like a tired old wolf making his last taunts at the Good Shepherd's sheep. Trust me, the sheep have been taking victory laps around your ol' wolf pack for a good while now. You just haven't noticed.
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