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Old 08-28-2021, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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That is still saying a Father (God is our Father correct?) has no obligation towards his children. I hate to say it this way brother but it looks to me like you are saying a dead beat dad is a good father, and yet I know that is not what you mean. Yet if the Father has no obligation towards his children what else can it be but a dead beat dad scenario.
God's "Fatherhood" is figurative. When we say "God the Father", His "Fatherhood" is referenced primarily as His relation to God the Son (Jesus), although even that is a figurative descriptor as God the Father did not literally produce God the Son as offspring.

God's "Fatherhood" in relation to us humans is even more figurative, as God did not produce us biologically as offspring. That is more like the Mormon view that God begat us as "spirit babies". God is wholly Other and does not produce offspring.

 
Old 08-28-2021, 12:59 PM
 
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This is not meant to be in direct reply to any particular post; but if one believes in "universal salvation", what is it that we are saved from?

What would have been the destiny of man had Christ never come?
The permanent separation of our spirits from God was the fate of all those before Jesus died and connected them with God and the rest of us through His Holy Spirit in His human consciousness "born again" as the Holy Spirit (Comforter).
 
Old 08-28-2021, 02:21 PM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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God's "Fatherhood" is figurative. When we say "God the Father", His "Fatherhood" is referenced primarily as His relation to God the Son (Jesus), although even that is a figurative descriptor as God the Father did not literally produce God the Son as offspring.

God's "Fatherhood" in relation to us humans is even more figurative, as God did not produce us biologically as offspring. That is more like the Mormon view that God begat us as "spirit babies". God is wholly Other and does not produce offspring.
Mike: God is SPIRIT, LOVE & FIRE & LIGHT as well. These are not characteristics of our God, but His very essence. Shall we consider these qualities of our Father figurative as well?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...11&version=KJV
 
Old 08-28-2021, 02:26 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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God's "Fatherhood" is figurative. When we say "God the Father", His "Fatherhood" is referenced primarily as His relation to God the Son (Jesus), although even that is a figurative descriptor as God the Father did not literally produce God the Son as offspring.

God's "Fatherhood" in relation to us humans is even more figurative, as God did not produce us biologically as offspring. That is more like the Mormon view that God begat us as "spirit babies". God is wholly Other and does not produce offspring.
I agree, there is a lot of figurative language used in the Scriptures which has been built upon over the past millennia

We “religiously” tend to generally talk past each other with a mix of doctrines, perceptions, opinions that the “fathers” give to their own “children” and which then get shared around
 
Old 08-28-2021, 02:32 PM
 
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God's "Fatherhood" is figurative. When we say "God the Father", His "Fatherhood" is referenced primarily as His relation to God the Son (Jesus), although even that is a figurative descriptor as God the Father did not literally produce God the Son as offspring.

God's "Fatherhood" in relation to us humans is even more figurative, as God did not produce us biologically as offspring. That is more like the Mormon view that God begat us as "spirit babies". God is wholly Other and does not produce offspring.
This is so sad. It is the complete opposite of God as Abba as presented by Jesus Christ!! Apparently, the God that brought you to Catholicism is some otherworldly tyrannical authoritarian Godfather demanding ultimate obedience OR ELSE eternal Hell and Damnation! That is truly sad!
 
Old 08-29-2021, 06:04 AM
 
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What is your view of the heavenly Father ?

1. Our wrathful judge in heaven?

2. Our judge and jury in heaven?

3. Our loving & reconciling Saviour?

How does your view of our heavenly Father compare with the Lord Jesus Christ?

Ο Πατέρας μας που αρτώνει στους ουρανούς. Αγιασμένος να είναι το όνομά Σου: Η βασιλεία Σου έρχεται. Θα έρθει να περάσει, όπως και στον ουρανό επίσης στη γη.

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Old 08-29-2021, 06:43 AM
 
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What is your view of the heavenly Father ?

1. Our wrathful judge in heaven?

2. Our judge and jury in heaven?

3. Our loving & reconciling Saviour?

How does your view of our heavenly Father compare with the Lord Jesus Christ?

Ο Πατέρας μας που αρτώνει στους ουρανούς. Αγιασμένος να είναι το όνομά Σου: Η βασιλεία Σου έρχεται. Θα έρθει να περάσει, όπως και στον ουρανό επίσης στη γη.
If it isnt English, you have to have the translation with it
 
Old 08-29-2021, 03:27 PM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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Welcome to our heavenly Baker

https://translate.google.com/

Ο Πατέρας μας που αρτώνει στους ουρανούς. Αγιασμένος να είναι το όνομά Σου: Η βασιλεία Σου έρχεται. Θα έρθει να περάσει, όπως και στον ουρανό επίσης στη γη. =

"Our Father who bakes in heaven. Blessed be Your name: Your kingdom is coming. It will come to pass, as in heaven also on earth."

What is your view of our heavenly Father ?

1. Our wrathful judge in heaven?

2. Our judge and jury in heaven?

3. Our loving & reconciling Saviour?
 
Old 08-29-2021, 06:21 PM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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Union with the Baker of all bakers is a glorious journey leading from where we are into where He dwells. This is not a one step program, but one of incremental steps of expansive becoming.

patēr is the most intimate term used by our Lord Jesus Christ in reference to our Father. Our patēr unites us to Himself in the closest bonds of intimacy, and with that intimacy becoming acquainted with His purposes that are dear to Him.
 
Old 08-30-2021, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Canada
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God's "Fatherhood" is figurative. When we say "God the Father", His "Fatherhood" is referenced primarily as His relation to God the Son (Jesus), although even that is a figurative descriptor as God the Father did not literally produce God the Son as offspring.

God's "Fatherhood" in relation to us humans is even more figurative, as God did not produce us biologically as offspring. That is more like the Mormon view that God begat us as "spirit babies". God is wholly Other and does not produce offspring.
No mike one of the reason Jesus came was to show humanity that God is a Father and we are sons of God, or sons of our Father. You seem to think that those who are adopted are not sons and the father that adopted them is not their father.
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