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Old 10-18-2021, 05:39 PM
 
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Lake (limén) - a harbor or haven. A place of refuge or safety.
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Lol, keep thinking that !
I don't need to think about it, rather I know it! Perhaps, you should consider learning, instead of rambling.

 
Old 10-18-2021, 07:12 PM
 
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We believe in Christ's promises. We believe that His promises are faithfully conveyed in the Gospels.
In spite of all indications to the contrary!!
 
Old 10-19-2021, 05:30 AM
 
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The Nature of Love

The relationship between God’s gift and His grace are attributes of God that are particularly highlighted in scripture. All the characteristics that are properly ascribed to the Divine Nature find their center in the truth that God is love, so that when God is described also, for instance, as light, spirit and consuming fire, such descriptions essentially explain the meaning and nature of divine love.

That God is light, speaks to us of the fact that it is the nature of love to enlighten, to give understanding. God’s love is self-revelatory. It shines out of its essence and needs nothing outside of itself to make itself known. That God is spirit confronts us with the truth, that in spite of the propensity of divine love to subject itself to all that is adversarial to its existence, love is still, underneath all that hostility, universally and constitutionally pervasive. It is the spirit that constitutes all being, all existence. It’s what “makes the world go around,” from within, and is what gives all things their cohesiveness.

That God is a consuming fire encourages us to trust that the inner love-spirit essence of all things, from the inside out, will cleanse itself from all that seeks to defile it. The divine nature of love can be afflicted by such defilement but it can never in its essence be defiled. On this foundation rests our salvation.

So it is with the gift of God, and the graciousness of God.

As it is true that when we speak of God as spirit, light, and consuming fire, we are essentially explaining the nature of love — those other attributes do not stand alongside love, they explain love as they are the unfolding of love’s nature, so when we speak of the grace of God, we are, really redundantly, explaining the nature of His gift; that it is, in fact, free. We are emphasizing the obvious, that God’s gift cannot be earned. It is, as all gifts should be, freely given. It is what it is — His gift. The grace of God is, to my understanding, simply God’s givingness.

God’s gift and God’s grace do not stand alongside one another. As Jesus said of His relationship with the Father, “I and the Father are One,” so also, God’s gift (Christ) and His grace (His givingness) are one. He is graciously giving. He gifts us out from His nature of givingness. Finally understood, God only has one gift for mankind, and that is the gift of His Son.

In Him are all the riches of the glory of God’s grace. We need to see the obvious, that Paul’s expression, “the glory of His grace” simply means, His grace’s glory. God is gloriously gracious, and we see grace’s glory in the face of Jesus Christ. In Him we see summed up the givingness of God, and NO decision on the part of man can frustrate the givingness of God. He will give Himself, in His Son, to all creation until all creation is full of His glory, so that all creation will come to realize its true inner constitution. This is the essence of the Kingdom of God. ~John Gavazzoni
 
Old 10-19-2021, 05:38 AM
 
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Universalism is a unfaithful evil teaching because it denies and disregards the truth of the remnant salvation. Its always been Gods way, not to show mercy on all without exception, but to only a remnant or a small part from the whole.

Micah 7:18

Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

His Mercy isnt for all mankind,but a remnant of it, so He intimates to Moses in showing His Glory Ex 33:19

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

Therein lies the Mystery of His goodness !
 
Old 10-19-2021, 09:52 AM
 
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Heaven and Hell - Fr. David Nix
 
Old 10-19-2021, 10:59 AM
 
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Heaven and Hell are two inflectional points of an apparent path for all humanity called life and death.
It has nothing to do with your fictitious beliefs of a fiery inferno, or the damnation of human souls.


(Talk about a modern day heretic from the church of heresies - good heavens, man, get a clue!)
 
Old 10-19-2021, 11:32 AM
 
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Mike: Rosey has a few questions for you and father David Nix.

1. Which hell of the four (tartaroo, shoel, hades, geheena) are everlasting?

2. Since God is the beginning and ending of the all, (ta panta), where do all four hells end?

3. All are made sinners through the disobedience of Adam, are the same all included in the Last?

4. To what degree are the seed of Adam made righteous in the Last, (the Master of reconciliation)?
 
Old 10-19-2021, 12:03 PM
 
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Universalism is a unfaithful evil teaching because it denies and disregards the truth of the remnant salvation. Its always been Gods way, not to show mercy on all without exception, but to only a remnant or a small part from the whole.


Therein lies the Mystery of His goodness !
What happens to one, happens to all.
 
Old 10-19-2021, 01:00 PM
 
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What happens to one, happens to all.
Yup! !

Perish

When the Scripture uses a word such as “perish” or “destroy,” the original word is “apollumi.” The Greek word “apollumi” means to “to lose, or to be lost.” It is the same word Jesus used when He said

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).

and

"Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, “Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep”" (Luke 15:4-7).

The word, “apollumi,” is used to describe a sheep which was lost and then was found and restored. And Christ uses this same exact word in the following verse:

"Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28-29). (The word translated as "Hell" in this verse is actually gehenna, the city dump outside of Jerusalem)

The original word for “destroy” here is “apollumi” which means “to lose or be lost.” This verse is not speaking of an eternal annihilation of a soul, but of a temporary losing of the soul, just like the “lost” sheep that was later found. It is the same with all the times you see Jesus speaking of someone “perishing.” Such as in John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

A better translation would be “whoever believes in Him should not be lost.” We are all lost until God finds us. Those who die yet unbelieving will experience further “apollumi,” or being “lost” in the Lake of Fire, which is the second death. But God has promised to destroy all death once and for all and grant belief to all at the consummation of the ages.

If apollumi meant destruction according to the traditional definition by those who believe in eternal torment or annihilation, then Jesus is lost forever,

"But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the multitudes that they should ask for Barabbas and DESTROY (apollumi) Jesus." Matt. 27:20

So then, will you hold to the "traditional" view which makes the word of God of no effect? Or will you have the courage to go against the traditional hell-fire or annihilation view which denigrates the glorious victory Jesus bought through conquering death on the Cross for all mankind?

Those who are “lost” or “perished,” are like the lost sheep.

The lost sheep was perished, but the shepherd sought it out and restored it. We are all like the lost sheep before God finds us. Even now we are. We are all “apollumi”, or “lost and perished” as the lost sheep was. We are separated and alienated from God. But the lost sheep did not stay that way. And neither does anyone else. The Good Shepherd does not stop looking until He has found the last one.

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Old 10-20-2021, 07:58 AM
 
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Universalism is a unfaithful evil teaching because it denies and disregards the truth of that God gives up some to a reprobate mind, indication of His rejection of them, and consequently their exclusion from Gods eternal kingdom Rom 1:28-32

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Cor 6:9-10

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

To say the least, the universalist is deceived and seeks to deceive others, preaching a false sense of security for all mankind.
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