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Old 08-10-2021, 12:55 PM
 
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It is certainly not wishful thinking on my part. I could wish that it might be otherwise.

But the things that I believe, I believe, because they are proclaimed by holy scripture.

The things that you believe, you are able to believe because you discount certain things in holy scripture.

Therefore is it not your ideology that is based on wishful thinking?

For you believe what you believe because it is what you want to believe; as evidence by the fact that you pick and choose what scriptures you believe are inspired and which ones you believe are not inspired.

Therefore it is your religion that is not based in the word of God but in your own idea.
And your beliefs are predicated on what was falsely adopted by Christianism which came from a variety of other cultures in order to create an amalgamated religion by reconciling all the various beliefs into a single religion to solidity their control over the people. What you preach is out of ignorance, not knowing or understanding the truth of the matter. You merely continue to follow the Pagan beliefs of an underworld that is incorrectly called HELL for there is no such place, other than the grave. Again, your beliefs are based on ignorance.
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Old 08-10-2021, 01:16 PM
 
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And your beliefs are predicated on what was falsely adopted by Christianism which came from a variety of other cultures in order to create an amalgamated religion by reconciling all the various beliefs into a single religion to solidity their control over the people. What you preach is out of ignorance, not knowing or understanding the truth of the matter. You merely continue to follow the Pagan beliefs of an underworld that is incorrectly called HELL for there is no such place, other than the grave. Again, your beliefs are based on ignorance.
My beliefs are based on KNOWLEDGE of what the Bible says; and therefore are not based on ignorance.
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Old 08-10-2021, 02:26 PM
 
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There is definite everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46) that is meted out by the Lord to those who commit iniquity (Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50)................
I can agree that there is ' everlasting punishment ' and I find that everlasting punishment to be as found at 2nd Thess. 1:9
Punished with ' everlasting destruction '.
So, it is No wonder that Scripture teaches the wicked will be ' destroyed forever '- Psalms 92:7; 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
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Old 08-10-2021, 03:56 PM
 
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It is no lie to say that you are determining what is inspired or not in scripture based on your own judgment.
However, your judgment is off-base.
For you appear to believe that God's judgment of the murderer ought to be that He let him get off scott-free with his crime and be set free to commit it another time.
You have said this lie several times now and I have taken the trouble to correct you so you have no excuse for repeating it. Do you actually think you can defend God and Jesus by deliberately lying???? Everyone faces spiritual consequences for what they have done and become spiritually. No one gets away with anything but that does not mean your completely unjust, evil, and absurd eternal punishment is true! That is such an evil concept that only a truly evil spirit can actually accept it, IMO. That should worry you, but it does not seem to.

You have no clue what forgiveness is or how it is attained. We will be changed by the truth (something you will face, unfortunately) after our death. To believe that will not make any difference reveals such a sick and hardened heart that I hardly can believe anyone could ever believe it. This physical life is merely the "pregnancy" during which our spiritual body is formed (aka Character). Those who are born spiritually deformed or otherwise spiritually handicapped as Spirits have only themselves to blame for it. But I can't bring myself to believe God would allow ANY spiritual miscarriages or abortions or any deformities that can not be corrected by God's power and Will, but who really knows.
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Old 08-10-2021, 05:10 PM
 
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I can agree that there is ' everlasting punishment ' and I find that everlasting punishment to be as found at 2nd Thess. 1:9
Punished with ' everlasting destruction '.
So, it is No wonder that Scripture teaches the wicked will be ' destroyed forever '- Psalms 92:7; 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
Nonsense!

There is exactly one passage of Canon speaking of "everlasting punishment" / aionios kolasis. The foundation for everlasting punishment = ? ? ? ? ?

Everlasting punishment

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Results = 1 verse found (Matt. 25:46)

The five (5) qualifications for aionios kolasis/ everlasting punishment according to the Master of reconciliation =

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2.________________?

3.________________?

4.________________?

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I was hungry, and you gave me no meat. #1

I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink. #2

I was a stranger, and you took me not in. #3

I was naked, and you clothed me not. #4

I was sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. #5
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Old 08-10-2021, 05:25 PM
 
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Matt: It is painfully obvious you do not grasp the foundation for aionial kolasis, in union with others. When you come to terms with exactly what qualifies one for everlasting punishment, we shall move on to olethron aionian. Just whistle.
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Old 08-10-2021, 05:46 PM
 
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You have no clue what forgiveness is or how it is attained. We will be changed by the truth (something you will face, unfortunately) after our death. To believe that will not make any difference reveals such a sick and hardened heart that I hardly can believe anyone could ever believe it. This physical life is merely the "pregnancy" during which our spiritual body is formed (aka Character). Those who are born spiritually deformed or otherwise spiritually handicapped as Spirits have only themselves to blame for it. But I can't bring myself to believe God would allow ANY spiritual miscarriages or abortions or any deformities that can not be corrected by God's power and Will, but who really knows.
There is nothing the God of un is incapable of correcting. Every deformity, (spiritual deformity at the top), cascading down to every broken member of our race: far as the curse is found!

The God of un = the God of unlimited.
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Old 08-10-2021, 06:12 PM
 
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Matt: It is painfully obvious you do not grasp the foundation for aionial kolasis, in union with others. When you come to terms with exactly what qualifies one for everlasting punishment, we shall move on to olethron aionian. Just whistle.
I seriously doubt he will ever grasp that foundation being there is no foundation in scripture!

The grasp you have is a grasp of one's own doings! One's own heart felt desires not found in the Word of God! But I will say that is some wild imagination you have there, Rosie!
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Old 08-10-2021, 08:48 PM
 
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Matt: It is painfully obvious you do not grasp the foundation for aionial kolasis, in union with others. When you come to terms with exactly what qualifies one for everlasting punishment, we shall move on to olethron aionian. Just whistle.
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Old 08-10-2021, 08:50 PM
 
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There is nothing the God of un is incapable of correcting. Every deformity, (spiritual deformity at the top), cascading down to every broken member of our race: far as the curse is found!

The God of un = the God of unlimited.
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