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Well, you're wrong. The 3rd person of the Trinity is the Holy Spirit and he is not the Father who is the 1st person of the Trinity. Nor did the 3rd person of the Trinity incarnate. It was the 2nd person of the Trinity who incarnated. Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity. Not the Holy Spirit.
God is one in essence, not in person.
Your ideas about the Trinity are heretical. Period.
Wrong.
Your ideas about the Trinity are heretical. They fall in the category of Tri-theism.
We have one God (James 2:19) who incarnated in flesh, becoming the 2nd Person of the Trinity, primarily being distinct from the Father because He is come in flesh; being the same Spirit as the Father (John 4:23-24, John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4).
I am not denying, by the way, that the Holy Ghost is distinct from the Father.
What is the origins of the Holy Ghost? it is that God is one Spirit (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4); even God the Father (John 4:23-24).
It is that same Spirit who became Jesus Christ and who dwelt in Jesus Christ (John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11).
Then, Jesus released that same Spirit back to the Father who dwells outside of time (Isaiah 57:15) and who, in the descending to become Jesus Christ, did not cease to dwell outside of time (see Ephesians 3:11).
Thus the Father, under the title of Holy Ghost, dwelt side-by-side with the Father in eternity; as it is written,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with <the Father> and the Word was <the Father>" (John 1:1)
Which is algebraically inferred from such passages as Romans 15:6, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6, and James 3:9 (kjv).
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
All ideas about the Trinity are off-topic and irrational anyway!!!
Not necessarily off-topic when one of the main contentions of the Jehovah's Witnesses, in declaring that God's name is Jehovah, is to deny the Trinity.
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A name is not who you are, names can be changed - it's merely what people call you.
In Jehovah's case that is not true sir. Jehovah personally selected His name. Why? It has meaning! It means causes to become. No other god can say that, as Jehovah is the sole creator.
In Jehovah's case that is not true sir. Jehovah personally selected His name. Why? It has meaning! It means causes to become. No other god can say that, as Jehovah is the sole creator.
That is a step in the right direction, Richard! But the scripture plainly shows us you will not get there on the premises of being numbered among the Jews, who God gave the Law, and the promises through your fathers.
Oh no! There is something else you must do in accepting His chosen Redeemer for all of mankind. Without that all is lost, even for the Jew!
That is a step in the right direction, Richard! But the scripture plainly shows us you will not get there on the premises of being numbered among the Jews, who God gave the Law, and the promises through your fathers.
Oh no! There is something else you must do in accepting His chosen Redeemer for all of mankind. Without that all is lost, even for the Jew!
::Sigh:: This is wrong on so many levels, Charlie. What Jesus accomplished has no conditional acceptance clause in it. Whether or not we individually benefit BEYOND our salvation is dependent on what we BECOME spiritually and how closely it resonates with the perfect Holy Spirit of agape love achieved by Jesus. When will we stop trying to be "Special" in God's eyes over everyone else????
::Sigh:: This is wrong on so many levels, Charlie. What Jesus accomplished has no conditional acceptance clause in it. Whether or not we individually benefit BEYOND our salvation is dependent on what we BECOME spiritually and how closely it resonates with the perfect Holy Spirit of agape love achieved by Jesus. When will we stop trying to be "Special" in God's eyes over everyone else????
Lord, Mystic, this is like a broken record. I'll continue to play the broken record by asking you to show me that in scripture. That's how we fundies operate, by the Word of Almighty God.
So go ahead and show me that's what He wants. If you can't, isn't it time to replace that broken record?
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