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Old 08-19-2021, 09:04 AM
 
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Crazy that a guy that seems so concerned about God's name is ok with knowingly mispronouncing it.
You'd think Jesus maybe even once or twice would have mentioned it as well..."There are many things I want to tell you about my Father but only one is important. So go now, make disciples of men, commanding them to call upon Jehovah and use his name Jehovah every day because Jehovah likes to be call Jehovah" (Whew)!
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Old 08-19-2021, 09:40 AM
 
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Crazy that a guy that seems so concerned about God's name is ok with knowingly mispronouncing it.
Did the translators in the King James Version chose Jehovah (see KJV Psalm 83:18) as wrong or mispronounced ______
What about all the other Hebrew names translated into acceptable English, aren't they acceptably used __________
Jesus' words found at John 17:6; John 17:26 will prove true .
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Old 08-19-2021, 09:47 AM
 
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Did the translators in the King James Version chose Jehovah (see KJV Psalm 83:18) as wrong or mispronounced ______
What about all the other Hebrew names translated into acceptable English, aren't they acceptably used __________
Jesus' words found at John 17:6; John 17:26 will prove true .
I don't read the KJV. Why are you stuck on that?

Read the Greek or Hebrew. The name is not Jehovah.
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:03 AM
 
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I don't read the KJV. Why are you stuck on that?

Read the Greek or Hebrew. The name is not Jehovah.
What if St. Peter stops you at the pearly gates and asks for the password to heaven? He gives you a hint..starts with a capitol J... (and it ain't Jehovah either)
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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I don't read the KJV. Why are you stuck on that?
Read the Greek or Hebrew. The name is not Jehovah.
'Stuck' or rather using the English translation that most people use as common ground.
The Hebrew comes from the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) and how do you pronounce the Tetragrammaton ___________
What is the most common accepted English pronunciation of God's name but Jehovah at Psalm 83:18 B.
I find Jesus said we should hallow ( hold sacred / sanctify ) God's name.
A person can't do that without using God's acceptable name in their language.
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:33 AM
 
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'Stuck' or rather using the English translation that most people use as common ground.
The Hebrew comes from the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) and how do you pronounce the Tetragrammaton ___________
It's not pronounced "Jehovah".
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What is the most common accepted English pronunciation of God's name but Jehovah at Psalm 83:18 B.
I find Jesus said we should hallow ( hold sacred / sanctify ) God's name.
A person can't do that without using God's acceptable name in their language.
So why don't you? Why do you settle for using a name that doesn't appear in Scripture? If God thinks it's so important, why do you call him something else?
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Old 08-19-2021, 02:48 PM
 
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Not a physical being .....but still a being

It relates to the light, breath, spirit that all living entities have - and man has added intelligence to be able to imagine, inquire, reason, communicate, plan, and build upon previous endeavours etc which is what is involved in the Scriptures

Joh 1:1**In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2**The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3**All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4**In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5**And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6**There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7**The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8**He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9**That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

G3056***(Strong)
λόγος
logos
log'-os
From G3004; something said (including the thought); by implication a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension a computation; specifically (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (that is, Christ): - account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say (-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.

Gen 1:1**In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2**And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3**And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4**And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5**And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

There is an over laying/overshadowing that happens and “we” corporately are not to confuse/merge unlike things together

This is what the Church Fathers were dogmatic about and why they developed systems to prevent total confusion reigning with nothing left

The orthodox and heretic were separated and the seeds of both systems recorded for the following “generations” “us” to use/process/compare

Everything was building up to the “latter days”

John 1:1 = error in trinity translation. There is no capitol G God in the last line. Otherwise in plain english the second line reads--And God(Logos= word) was with God( Theos)-- That is more than one God. with another God( holy spirit) over there.

As well Jesus would have lied--John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- We know he didn't lie. His followers believe him first. Error in translation to fit false council additives caused the confusion.
Terrillion was thinking along the lines of God being a trinity--Because a single being God was served. Even in their own encyclopedia it states---- The establishment of a trinity in a followers life began at the end of the 4th century( after the councils)--1Cor 1:10--unity of thought - no division = 1 single religion, not 33,000 different ones--confusion caused it.

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Old 08-19-2021, 02:50 PM
 
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As God the Holy Spirit is omnipresent - everywhere present. No splitting into hundreds of pieces at once is involved.

The bible doesn't teach that.
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Old 08-19-2021, 02:54 PM
 
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It is always amusing to me that the debates that raged in the Early Church about the nature of God have never really ended. The problem is quite simple: The Bible does not explain in meticulous detail what God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit are, how they are connected, what they are like, etc.

The Catholic final say and exhaustive explanation on the nature of God/The Gods is The Athanasian Creed. The problem? None of what is claimed by that Creed is explicitly stated anywhere in scripture. Like every other formulation for the nature of God, the Athanasian Creed just tries to fill in the blanks for a topic where there are more blanks than anything else. The creed then proceeds to damn anyone daring to disagree. Cheerful, right?

What source might we look to if we would like to know the true nature of God? How about asking God himself to tell us what he is like?

Above all else, everyone should stop damning everyone to hell if they disagree on a nitpicky formulation detailing the nature of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

No matter what mortal man-thinks, says or does, they cannot get by the facts, they have tried though.

Fact-- From Moses on up until this very day, the Israelite religion-serve, teach and worship- a single being God. The same God was taught to Jesus while he attended. The same God was taught to every bible writer as well. The same God taught until the end of the 4th century until the religion that came out of Rome altered god at their councils.
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Old 08-19-2021, 04:15 PM
 
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You'd think Jesus maybe even once or twice would have mentioned it as well..."There are many things I want to tell you about my Father but only one is important. So go now, make disciples of men, commanding them to call upon Jehovah and use his name Jehovah every day because Jehovah likes to be call Jehovah" (Whew)!

No mortal can prove its being mispronounced. John 17:26-- A promise Jesus makes to keep on making his Fathers name known. And he has.
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