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Old 09-01-2021, 06:50 PM
 
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If the New Testament existed since the first century why did it take until the 4th century for the cross/crucifix to become the widely used symbol of Christianity?
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Old 09-01-2021, 06:58 PM
 
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I think that it may have happened when Constantine had a vision of the Cross and heard a voice saying to him, "In this sign conquer."
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Old 09-01-2021, 07:01 PM
 
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If the New Testament existed since the first century why did it take until the 4th century for the cross/crucifix to become the widely used symbol of Christianity?
Do you think the RCC had anything to do with that with a little help from Constantine?
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Old 09-01-2021, 07:52 PM
 
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If the New Testament existed since the first century why did it take until the 4th century for the cross/crucifix to become the widely used symbol of Christianity?
What’s your source on that 4th century tidbit?
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Old 09-02-2021, 12:19 AM
 
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If the New Testament existed since the first century why did it take until the 4th century for the cross/crucifix to become the widely used symbol of Christianity?
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I think that it may have happened when Constantine had a vision of the Cross and heard a voice saying to him, "In this sign conquer."
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Do you think the RCC had anything to do with that with a little help from Constantine?
You mean by the blending of Christianity with the thoughts of Pagan philosophers, all under the authority of the Emperors who required a national amalgamated religion to solidity their control over the people?



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Old 09-02-2021, 04:38 AM
 
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If the New Testament existed since the first century why did it take until the 4th century for the cross/crucifix to become the widely used symbol of Christianity?

Jesus said that Jerusalem would be trampled on until the end of the appointed times of the nations. Paul stated that there would be a period of apostasy, and by the end of the apostles lives many antichrists were already on the scene, drawing disciples after themselves.


Jehovah's people abandoned it as a Christian symbol years ago Duv, for a couple of reasons actually. 1st we think that stauros is really an upright pole, so we try to be accurate in our teachings, and secondly we think graven images that have religious overtones are actually idols.


You make a very good point with great insight, I salute you for your honest question.
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Old 09-02-2021, 05:20 AM
 
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If the stauros was a pole not a cross, then why did the Church adopt the cross and chi rho with Constantine? I assume the story about him seeing a cross was invented after the adoption of the cross symbol.
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Old 09-02-2021, 05:22 AM
 
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What good is a religion if it has fallen into false teachings virtually immediately for 2000 years or so? I happen to believe Christianity was invented in the 4th century.
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Old 09-02-2021, 07:21 AM
 
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If the stauros was a pole not a cross, then why did the Church adopt the cross and chi rho with Constantine? I assume the story about him seeing a cross was invented after the adoption of the cross symbol.
The stauros was not a pole. You've been told wrong.
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Old 09-02-2021, 08:02 AM
 
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What good is a religion if it has fallen into false teachings virtually immediately for 2000 years or so? I happen to believe Christianity was invented in the 4th century.
That's ridiculous. The Roman historian Tacitus, writing about AD. 115 wrote of the movement (Christianity) which was based on Jesus.
Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.

Cornelius Tacitus, The Annals, BOOK XV, chapter 44
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