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You are too deeply immersed in the OT and Moses to accept God as revealed by Jesus on the Cross.
Not only was God revealed in the person of Jesus, but humanity in its wretchedness was revealed.
What could possibly be a worse sin than torturing and killing God? Surely a crime so infinitely and unfathomably evil deserves an eternity of punishment.
Every time we sin, we place ourselves right there in the mob shouting "crucify him!"
Yet God, in His mercy, offers us hope and salvation.
Not only was God revealed in the person of Jesus, but humanity in its wretchedness was revealed.
What could possibly be a worse sin than torturing and killing God? Surely a crime so infinitely and unfathomably evil deserves an eternity of punishment.
That would be my point. what did Jesus the essence of God Himself say about what we did to Him? "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." Where is this wrathful God who was so angered by His newly created people for a single disobedient act that He cursed them and their descendants and demanded a bloody scourging and crucifixion as a bribe so He could finally forgive them???? How does any of that ring true to you, Mike???? Or do you not believe that Jesus on the Cross is God incarnate???
That would be my point. what did Jesus the essence of God Himself say about what we did to Him? "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." Where is this wrathful God who was so angered by His newly created people for a single disobedient act that He cursed them and their descendants and demanded a bloody scourging and crucifixion as a bribe so He could finally forgive them???? How does any of that ring true to you, Mike???? Or do you not believe that Jesus on the Cross is God incarnate???
As you ought to know, I don't ascribe to the penal substitution heresy.
Yes, God is ever ready to forgive. He is patient and long suffering.
Unfortunately, it doesn't follow that everyone wants forgiveness or wants anything to do with God if it means giving up their treasured pet sins.
As you ought to know, I don't ascribe to the penal substitution heresy.
Yes, God is ever ready to forgive. He is patient and long-suffering.
Unfortunately, it doesn't follow that everyone wants forgiveness or wants anything to do with God if it means giving up their treasured pet sins.
Yet, you can actually believe God is punishing anyone! What good does punishment do especially if it never ends or produces any positive outcome??? A lot of us become attached to our treasured pet sins and we eventually suffer the consequences, if not here on earth, then after death.
But they are consequences we have earned or brought on ourselves. They have nothing to do with God, or sin, or punishment! God would prefer we not be so stupid and incur the consequences. God actually wants us to BECOME what we are supposed to become without incurring any negative consequences.
That would be my point. what did Jesus the essence of God Himself say about what we did to Him? "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." Where is this wrathful God who was so angered by His newly created people for a single disobedient act that He cursed them and their descendants and demanded a bloody scourging and crucifixion as a bribe so He could finally forgive them???? How does any of that ring true to you, Mike???? Or do you not believe that Jesus on the Cross is God incarnate???
The point is this! Jesus came the first time as a Lamb prepared for the slaughter, as Isaiah said. The Jews were looking for a warrior Messiah to deliver them from Rome. They believed they were already saved by being given the Law. But Jesus came to make it possible for all men to be saved, including the Jews, for the scripture says that both the Jew and Gentile are counted in unbelief.
Jesus plainly said that He came not to judge but to give Himself a sacrifice for man. At the Second Coming of Christ we see a different Messiah, the warrior Messiah the Jews looked for the first time but rejected.
This time He is the Judge of man, He does take out wrath on man as clearly seen in Revelation. You can ignore this Messiah of Judgement if you like, Mystic, but the scripture shows us exactly what He will do.
Of course the entire problem is that you don't believe the scripture, you do not see this Messiah of Judgement in scripture because you have chosen not to see Him! Those who are in Christ, who have been washed in His blood see Him clearly for there can be no mistake of this in scripture.
Yesterday, Charlie24 admitted that he uses the Bible "as he sees it," so he's really just giving you his interpretation. That's really what happens even when a person quotes a single verse instead of an entire passage.
Every single one of us who posts here gives our interpretation of it sir. Every one of us posts some truth as well as some fiction.
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