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Old 09-13-2021, 03:20 PM
 
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No, God didn't write anything. But if you take the words of Hosea and Matthew at face value, why do you not take the words of Leviticus at face value?

Leviticus starts out "And the Lord called Moses, and spoke to him..." and then goes on to describe all of the different sacrifices God is commanding to Moses.

To say that God did not require blood sacrifice, you are not taking the opening words of Leviticus at face value.

How do you interpret the opening chapters of Leviticus?
I don't view the Scriptures as being inerrant of infallible, neither do I blindly accept what others believe.
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Old 09-13-2021, 03:24 PM
 
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I don't view the Scriptures as being inerrant of infallible, neither do I blindly accept what others believe.
Fair enough, but on what grounds then can you be so assured and insistent that "he did not require, desire or command a (blood) sacrifice?"
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Old 09-13-2021, 03:54 PM
 
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No, God didn't write anything. But if you take the words of Hosea and Matthew at face value, why do you not take the words of Leviticus at face value?

Leviticus starts out "And the Lord called Moses, and spoke to him..." and then goes on to describe all of the different sacrifices God is commanding to Moses.

To say that God did not require blood sacrifice, you are not taking the opening words of Leviticus at face value.

How do you interpret the opening chapters of Leviticus?
As instructions about how to motivate a savage to develop self-control out of a fear of God and damnation.
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Old 09-13-2021, 04:57 PM
 
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Fair enough, but on what grounds then can you be so assured and insistent that "he did not require, desire or command a (blood) sacrifice?"
You will not find a single answer to that question. However, do you consider (putting common sense aside) taking the life of an innocent person for that of the guilty as something morally acceptable, especially given your emphasis on morality in other parts of this forum? Also consider the history of religion and the Church itself, along with studying the Scriptures in their entirety, while knowing the nature of man, WHO has made GOD in their own image. It was MAN who needed the sacrifices, not GOD. I could go on, but we leave it here for the moment.
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Old 09-13-2021, 08:11 PM
 
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You will not find a single answer to that question. However, do you consider (putting common sense aside) taking the life of an innocent person for that of the guilty as something morally acceptable, especially given your emphasis on morality in other parts of this forum?
Absolutely not! As I’ve stated many times before, penal substitution is a heresy.

I was specifically asking the question of you though; trying to get your unique perspective and wondering on what grounds you personally feel that way.

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Also consider the history of religion and the Church itself, along with studying the Scriptures in their entirety, while knowing the nature of man, WHO has made GOD in their own image. It was MAN who needed the sacrifices, not GOD. I could go on, but we leave it here for the moment.
I agree that sacrifice is offered to God for the benefit of man. Offering sacrifice is good for us and is an act of justice, as God is deserving of all. God needs nothing. What a gift that God offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice, acting as both Priest and Victim, for our benefit when He was under no obligation to do so!
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Old 09-13-2021, 09:38 PM
 
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The doctrine of Penal Substitution is the gospel of Jesus Christ by which alone a man may be saved.
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Old 09-13-2021, 09:45 PM
 
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The doctrine of Penal Substitution is the gospel of Jesus Christ by which alone a man may be saved.
You are entitled to your view, even if it is in error.
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Old 09-13-2021, 09:48 PM
 
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You are entitled to your view, even if it is in error.
It is not in error.

And you are entitled to your view, even if believing in it will place you smack dab in the center of hell.
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Old 09-13-2021, 09:52 PM
 
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It is not in error.

And you are entitled to your view, even if believing in it will place you smack dab in the center of hell.
Such foolishness.
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Old 09-13-2021, 09:53 PM
 
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Such foolishness.
Of course it is foolishness to you....because it has to do with the preaching of the Cross.
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