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According to scripture, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation; if we are in Christ.
For we have been forgiven through the blood of Christ; and therefore when the Father looks down on us, He sees, not our sins, but the blood and righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.
And therefore, in the Father's sight, the law does not any longer point the finger at us and call us sinners.
While from the perspective of the Holy Ghost, whose job it is to convict of sin and also to sanctify the believer, He has a relationship with us where He deals with us according to our sins according to the law (1 Corinthians 9:21, Romans 3:20).
As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (again, 1 Corinthians 9:21).
The law is written on our hearts and minds through the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).
And again, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation;
while as concerning obedience we become obedient to the moral tenets of the law;
Not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter); but through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (the spirit of what is written, Romans 7:6, 8:4).
As we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (see Ezekiel 36:25-27).
This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to be the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is indeed righteousness.
Because, this righteousness is not obtained by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.
Rather, we obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and as we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4, Galatians 5:22-23).
That being said, it is written that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).
It is indeed faithful and true that those who are of the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). However, this is as concerning those who are attempting to be justified by the law (Galatians 5:1-4).
For those who know that they are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ and not by their obedience / works / law-keeping, it becomes a blessing to look into the perfect law of liberty and to walk according to it (James 1:22-25).
The devil and his followers condemn saved people with the laws, So through the rules of spirit and truth the saved cannot use the sin or many old laws of Moses and church frill man made laws which bring condemnation which is under the spiritual authority of the devil, or they could have demons on their spiritual space. Where they must lean to the Lord and rebuke demons to Jesus to be free of condemnation ....... Still the ten commandment are under the rules of spirit and in truth which go unspoken
According to scripture, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation; if we are in Christ.
For we have been forgiven through the blood of Christ; and therefore when the Father looks down on us, He sees, not our sins, but the blood and righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.
And therefore, in the Father's sight, the law does not any longer point the finger at us and call us sinners.
While from the perspective of the Holy Ghost, whose job it is to convict of sin and also to sanctify the believer, He has a relationship with us where He deals with us according to our sins according to the law (1 Corinthians 9:21, Romans 3:20).
As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (again, 1 Corinthians 9:21).
The law is written on our hearts and minds through the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).
And again, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation;
while as concerning obedience we become obedient to the moral tenets of the law;
Not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter); but through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (the spirit of what is written, Romans 7:6, 8:4).
As we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (see Ezekiel 36:25-27).
This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to be the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is indeed righteousness.
Because, this righteousness is not obtained by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.
Rather, we obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and as we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4, Galatians 5:22-23).
That being said, it is written that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).
It is indeed faithful and true that those who are of the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). However, this is as concerning those who are attempting to be justified by the law (Galatians 5:1-4).
For those who know that they are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ and not by their obedience / works / law-keeping, it becomes a blessing to look into the perfect law of liberty and to walk according to it (James 1:22-25).
It is by the shed blood of Jesus that we are justified, forgiven, saved!
But…
You are confusing works of the Law of Moses (613 of them) with what Jesus had to say. He commanded that we believe and repent. These are things WE DO. God does not do the believing or repenting for us.
That said, it is not what WE DO that justifies us, but if we do not believe and repent, we will not be justified.
Bottom line: God’s free gift is conditioned upon our obedience! If this were not true, then ALL would be justified, forgiven, saved.
According to scripture, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation; if we are in Christ.
For we have been forgiven through the blood of Christ; and therefore when the Father looks down on us, He sees, not our sins, but the blood and righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.
And therefore, in the Father's sight, the law does not any longer point the finger at us and call us sinners.
While from the perspective of the Holy Ghost, whose job it is to convict of sin and also to sanctify the believer, He has a relationship with us where He deals with us according to our sins according to the law (1 Corinthians 9:21, Romans 3:20).
As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (again, 1 Corinthians 9:21).
The law is written on our hearts and minds through the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).
And again, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation;
while as concerning obedience we become obedient to the moral tenets of the law;
Not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter); but through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (the spirit of what is written, Romans 7:6, 8:4).
As we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (see Ezekiel 36:25-27).
This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to be the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is indeed righteousness.
Because, this righteousness is not obtained by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.
Rather, we obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and as we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4, Galatians 5:22-23).
That being said, it is written that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).
It is indeed faithful and true that those who are of the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). However, this is as concerning those who are attempting to be justified by the law (Galatians 5:1-4).
For those who know that they are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ and not by their obedience / works / law-keeping, it becomes a blessing to look into the perfect law of liberty and to walk according to it (James 1:22-25).
Yes sir we are no longer under the Law handed down through Moses, although many of those laws do carry over to Christians. We are however under a new Law, the Law of the Christ. There are many rules and regulations that we Christians are under. The Kingdom of God is like any other Kingdom, it's citizens must obey it's laws as we were obligated to prior to the new covenant.
True! In order to have a kingdom, there must be a king, subjects, laws and a realm. We currently have all four aspects. Jesus is King. Christians are His subjects. We live by His commands. His realm is His church. When Jesus comes again, He will deliver His kingdom to His Father in heaven.
Last edited by MissKate12; 12-28-2021 at 08:02 AM..
According to scripture, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation; if we are in Christ.
For we have been forgiven through the blood of Christ; and therefore when the Father looks down on us, He sees, not our sins, but the blood and righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.
And therefore, in the Father's sight, the law does not any longer point the finger at us and call us sinners.
While from the perspective of the Holy Ghost, whose job it is to convict of sin and also to sanctify the believer, He has a relationship with us where He deals with us according to our sins according to the law (1 Corinthians 9:21, Romans 3:20).
As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (again, 1 Corinthians 9:21).
The law is written on our hearts and minds through the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).
And again, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation;
while as concerning obedience we become obedient to the moral tenets of the law;
Not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter); but through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (the spirit of what is written, Romans 7:6, 8:4).
As we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (see Ezekiel 36:25-27).
This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to be the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is indeed righteousness.
Because, this righteousness is not obtained by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.
Rather, we obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and as we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4, Galatians 5:22-23).
That being said, it is written that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).
It is indeed faithful and true that those who are of the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). However, this is as concerning those who are attempting to be justified by the law (Galatians 5:1-4).
For those who know that they are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ and not by their obedience / works / law-keeping, it becomes a blessing to look into the perfect law of liberty and to walk according to it (James 1:22-25).
So what you're saying is that the First Adam, who sinned and we inherit a sin nature from without our permission, is more powerful than the Second Adam, Jesus. Because Jesus needs us to participate in it.
It is by the shed blood of Jesus that we are justified, forgiven, saved!
But…
You are confusing works of the Law of Moses (613 of them) with what Jesus had to say. He commanded that we believe and repent. These are things WE DO. God does not do the believing or repenting for us.
That said, it is not what WE DO that justifies us, but if we do not believe and repent, we will not be justified.
Bottom line: God’s free gift is conditioned upon our obedience! If this were not true, then ALL would be justified, forgiven, saved.
Obedience is the sure result of being saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.
It has no salvational value in and of itself (see Titus 3:5); but it is most assuredly the evidence before men that we are saved through faith which is in and of itself invisible; and which is also the only means of salvation.
The condition for salvation therefore is not our obedience but our faith in Jesus Christ.
See Romans 4:1-8,
Ephesians 2:8-9,
Titus 3:4-7,
Romans 11:5-6.
(and thus, not everyone will be saved even though obedience is not the requirement).
Matthew 7:21 is saying that if we are truly saved by grace through faith, we will do the will of the Father; in conjunction with Ephesians 2:10. It shoud be clear in Matthew 7:22 that these people of whom Jesus said, "I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity," were trusting in their works to save them.
Yes sir we are no longer under the Law handed down through Moses, although many of those laws do carry over to Christians. We are however under a new Law, the Law of the Christ. There are many rules and regulations that we Christians are under. The Kingdom of God is like any other Kingdom, it's citizens must obey it's laws as we were obligated to prior to the new covenant.
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus; so, if we blow it and violate the law, we are not condemned.
That being said, as believers, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts (Romans 5:5); and this love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6). It is also not impractical (1 John 3:17-18).
So, as we bear the fruit of the Spirit; which is primarily love, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour. Therefore, in bearing the fruit of the Spirit we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom.
But it is not that we have to look to a set of do's and don'ts and seek to cross our t's and dot our i's in keeping every one of them. For love is the fulfilling of the law.
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Originally Posted by MissKate12
True! In order to have a kingdom, there must be a king, subjects, laws and a realm. We currently have all four aspects. Jesus is King. Christians are His subjects. We live by His commands. His realm is His church. When Jesus comes again, He will deliver His kingdom to His Father in heaven.
Where everyone is filled with the love of God and living by it, there is no need for any laws. The law is for the unrighteous and the sinner (1 Timothy 1:9-11).
In a kingdom where everyone is righteous and living according to the love of the Lord, the unwritten law of the Lord will be abided by because it will have been written on the hearts and minds of those who have been redeemed (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 john 2:3-6).
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
So what you're saying is that the First Adam, who sinned and we inherit a sin nature from without our permission, is more powerful than the Second Adam, Jesus. Because Jesus needs us to participate in it.
I'm not certain as to how or why you have come to that conclusion.
Please state how my statements lead you to that conclusion.
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus; so, if we blow it and violate the law, we are not condemned.
That being said, as believers, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts (Romans 5:5); and this love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6). It is also not impractical (1 John 3:17-18).
So, as we bear the fruit of the Spirit; which is primarily love, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour. Therefore, in bearing the fruit of the Spirit we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom.
But it is not that we have to look to a set of do's and don'ts and seek to cross our t's and dot our i's in keeping every one of them. For love is the fulfilling of the law.
Where everyone is filled with the love of God and living by it, there is no need for any laws. The law is for the unrighteous and the sinner (1 Timothy 1:9-11).
In a kingdom where everyone is righteous and living according to the love of the Lord, the unwritten law of the Lord will be abided by because it will have been written on the hearts and minds of those who have been redeemed (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 john 2:3-6).
I'm not certain as to how or why you have come to that conclusion.
Please state how my statements lead you to that conclusion.
Keep in mind those who are "in" Christ Jesus are not yet sealed, and still subject to turn away from serving God. The foolish virgins parable Jesus spoke of were made up of individuals who are "in" Christ.
There are many laws we Christians have to obey, just to name one to put this to rest is: (Hebrews 10:24, 25) . . .let us consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works, 25 not forsaking our meeting together. . .
Meeting attendance is a requirement of Christians
According to scripture, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation; if we are in Christ.
For we have been forgiven through the blood of Christ; and therefore when the Father looks down on us, He sees, not our sins, but the blood and righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.
And therefore, in the Father's sight, the law does not any longer point the finger at us and call us sinners.
While from the perspective of the Holy Ghost, whose job it is to convict of sin and also to sanctify the believer, He has a relationship with us where He deals with us according to our sins according to the law (1 Corinthians 9:21, Romans 3:20).
As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (again, 1 Corinthians 9:21).
The law is written on our hearts and minds through the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5).
And again, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation;
while as concerning obedience we become obedient to the moral tenets of the law;
Not through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts (the letter); but through walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit (the spirit of what is written, Romans 7:6, 8:4).
As we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven (see Ezekiel 36:25-27).
This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to be the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is indeed righteousness.
Because, this righteousness is not obtained by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts.
Rather, we obtain the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14, Ephesians 1:13-14); and as we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4, Galatians 5:22-23).
That being said, it is written that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).
It is indeed faithful and true that those who are of the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). However, this is as concerning those who are attempting to be justified by the law (Galatians 5:1-4).
For those who know that they are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ and not by their obedience / works / law-keeping, it becomes a blessing to look into the perfect law of liberty and to walk according to it (James 1:22-25).
The Torah never did condemn anyone…
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