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Jesus states clearly and unequivocally in John 6:44
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them..."
There's no question--if a man doesn't come to Jesus it is because he wasn't drawn to Jesus by the Holy Spirit. The fault lies with God, not man because man, as Jesus clearly says, didn't have the power to choose Jesus by himself.
I'm afraid double predestination is the correct reality. God chose the few to salvation--in line with the narrow gate parable--and predestined the vast majority to eternal damnation, "wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many are they who go through it." Matthew 7:14.
In the beginning, man was created in communion with God and was able to choose to obey God.
However, when man chose to disobey, all of creation was corrupted including our wills.
Jesus states clearly and unequivocally in John 6:44
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them..."
There's no question--if a man doesn't come to Jesus it is because he wasn't drawn to Jesus by the Holy Spirit. The fault lies with God, not man because man, as Jesus clearly says, didn't have the power to choose Jesus by himself.
I'm afraid double predestination is the correct reality. God chose the few to salvation--in line with the narrow gate parable--and predestined the vast majority to eternal damnation, "wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many are they who go through it." Matthew 7:14.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
In the beginning, man was created in communion with God and was able to choose to obey God.
However, when man chose to disobey, all of creation was corrupted including our wills.
And hence God had to change his plan and predestine a few for heaven and the vast majority of mankind to hell.
Jesus states clearly and unequivocally in John 6:44
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them..."
There's no question--if a man doesn't come to Jesus it is because he wasn't drawn to Jesus by the Holy Spirit. The fault lies with God, not man because man, as Jesus clearly says, didn't have the power to choose Jesus by himself.
I'm afraid double predestination is the correct reality. God chose the few to salvation--in line with the narrow gate parable--and predestined the vast majority to eternal damnation, "wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many are they who go through it." Matthew 7:14.
God draws though the Holy Spirit's common grace ministry at the point of gospel hearing. All who hear the gospel and believe it can come to Jesus. God does not prevent anyone who wants to from responding to the gospel message by placing their faith in Christ Jesus.
God draws though the Holy Spirit's common grace ministry at the point of gospel hearing. All who hear the gospel and believe it can come to Jesus. God does not prevent anyone who wants to from responding to the gospel message by placing their faith in Christ Jesus.
Is this your own interpretation because you don't like the idea of double predestination? Jesus clearly states man cannot choose him in any capacity--common grace ministry or as his savior--unless God makes the first move and draws the man to Jesus. There it is in black and white. Christians cannot go assigning their own personal interpretations to Jesus' clear as day words.
Is this your own interpretation because you don't like the idea of double predestination? Jesus clearly states man cannot choose him in any capacity--common grace ministry or as his savior--unless God makes the first move and draws the man to Jesus. There it is in black and white. Christians cannot go assigning their own personal interpretations to Jesus' clear as day words.
I've already told you how it works. And the gospel message IS God making the first move. Period.
There's some slippery and sloppy assumptions in that original post. Creating more problems than solving.
If you're going to take a haphazard approach to understanding scripture - and understanding God - keep it to yourself. Voluntarily spreading misinformation is a rotten venture.
The typical cut and paste a few verses together to support your own theory kind of thing
Yeah. It's scary how some carry on. Like getting behind the wheel without any prior thought or experience. Just hit the pedal and see where the car goes and what damage ensues. Maybe smile along the way too, with self-assured bravado.
I've already told you how it works. And the gospel message IS God making the first move. Period.
Well you're wrong. Period.
Anyone who reads the entire passage from verse 35 to 59 can see that the entire context is about eternal life [salvation] For example:
7 "All those the Father gives me will come to me".
"All those" clearly refers to a selection of certain men and women from the whole and not the whole.
39 "I shall lose none of all those he has given me."
Of those he has given me selected from all men I shall lose none of them.
40 "...everyone who believes in [me] shall have eternal life
Whoever believes in me shall have eternal life.
44 “[However] No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.
It is is undeniable what Jesus is saying: the father has given some men to me and those who he has given me I will save. Well, what happens to the rest? There is only one fate for them: eternal hell. Because they didn't choose Jesus through no fault of their own, but because God didn't call them to accept Jesus. Man cannot know the will of God or his plan for why he chooses some and not other. It is all part of a divine mystery of God Paul talks about throughout his epistles.
“Some men are predestined to everlasting life, and others foreordained to everlasting death.” 1 [It is] God’s choice to save certain sinners by grace and his choice to leave certain sinners to the damnation they deserve. Predestination is part of God’s decree, his eternal purpose in which he has decided all that will take place, ordaining everything for the manifestation of his glory.
If people were/are predestined as above, then there is no reason for Jesus, and choosing in him. We know that's not the case, so the whole predestination myth falls flat into the dust.
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