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Many believe that God will not make anyone do what he or she does not want to do.. that man's free will trumps God's sovereign will. This is not what the Christian scriptures teach. The scriptures tell us that God is on the throne not man and that God is able and will bring all things into alignment with His sovereign will for His own creation. He created all and all belong to Him. God is love and bringing all into alignment with His Sovereign will demonstrates His agape love. He does not leave anyone in a state of darkness, sin, rebellion, and death forever.
As one believer put it, it actually dethrones the power of God to suggest that the so called free will of any man can thwart the plans of the Creator. The Creator who alone is sovereign, sent His only begotten Son on a mission to be the Savior of the world. The scriptures declare that He is the Savior of all, especially of believers. To suggest that God is unable to penetrate even the hardest of hearts, that He is unable to open the blindest of eyes, is to suggest that darkness can defeat the power of God who will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. It suggests that evil is greater than goodness, that goodness cannot overcome and defeat evil.
Those who are lost are said to be held captive, blinded by the god of this world. And to suggest that the Creator is unable to open all eyes, and release all captives, is to suggest that He is lacking or incapable. The idea that man can defeat the purpose of God, puts man on the throne instead of the Creator on the throne. It says that God can never have me, that my will is greater, that God, my own Creator, is powerless to touch me.
It suggests that I am God.
That is in conflict with the scriptures which teach that God is able to subdue all things to Himself.
He is the One who will subject all to Himself. This means that no one is unreachable and no one is untouchable. Now, today, God gives us the choice to come to Him according to HIs purpose, but ultimately, God does not bow to our wills. We will learn to submit to His will. We will learn it now or we will be made willing to learn when He subjects all to Himself. 1 Cor. 15. We do not yet see all things in subjection to Him. Hebrews 2:8. The Creator sits on the throne of God, not man. God bless.
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18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, [n]in hope** 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
** hope - elpis- expectation, confidence
No one is excluded from God's creation. God bless.
[b] God is love and God does not change, love is always the same. The same love God has for the people of Israel is also the same love God has for the people of Earth, as we are all His creation made with love.
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, [n]in hope** 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
** hope - elpis- expectation, confidence
No one is excluded from God's creation. God bless.
This is about Gods Elect Rom 8:32-33
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Because of Gods elect union with Christ, they are heirs with Him, Joint Heirs Rom 8:17
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together
They belong to Christ so all things is theirs 1 Cor 3:21-23
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
But the children of the devil have no part with the children of God
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Because of Gods elect union with Christ, they are heirs with Him, Joint Heirs Rom 8:17
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together
They belong to Christ so all things is theirs 1 Cor 3:21-23
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
You are right, Brightfame, this is about the elect.
And this
Romans 8
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, [n]in hope** 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
** hope - elpis- expectation, confidence
This tells us what is promised for the creation.
The elect are first and have the blessings of Christ first. Then the creation is to be set free and changed into the freedom of the glory of the children of God (the elect) . No one, not even the vessels of wrath are excluded from God's creation. All will experience deliverance like the elect will. Not yet, not yet. We don't know when it will happen, but it will happen in God's time. It is coming. It is glorious to see what God has planned for His creation. It is His work, His masterpiece. It's wonderful. God bless.
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You are right, Brightfame, this is about the elect.
And this
Romans 8
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the eagerly awaiting creation waits for the revealing of the sons and daughters of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, [n]in hope** 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
** hope - elpis- expectation, confidence
This tells us what is promised for the creation.
The elect are first and have the blessings of Christ first. Then the creation is to be set free and changed into the freedom of the glory of the children of God (the elect) . No one, not even the vessels of wrath are excluded from God's creation. All will experience deliverance like the elect will. Not yet, not yet. We don't know when it will happen, but it will happen in God's time. It is coming. It is glorious to see what God has planned for His creation. It is His work, His masterpiece. It's wonderful. God bless.
The elect are those God created for blessing, then you have the non elect reprobate God created for cursing, damnation and wrath hell fire or their eternal suffering for sin.
Many say that it is wrong to believe and share that Jesus Christ truly is the Savior of the world. I will embrace what God’s word tells us.
1 Timothy 4:10
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. NIV
God loves everyone.
The understanding that God will eventually reach and restore every heart shows us the nature and depth of the agape love of God. God is love. God is not hatred. God is not wrath. God is not anger. He is agape love and agape love means charity, doing what is best for the one who is loved, according to its definition.
We know that God loves all sinners. How do we know this? We know this because He sent His Son Jesus to die for sinners, all sinners, before we were yet sinners. He made the provision for us out of His great agape love. His very nature is love and He loves His enemies. We were all once His enemies and yet He loved us in our sinful condition. He teaches us to love our enemies. God loves the vessels of wrath.
The belief in the eventual restoration of all to God does not deny God’s wrath or justice. God displays wrath out of His love for His creatures. Love is sometimes tough and involves pain, sorrow, but all on the road to correction.
A human father loves the rebellious son just as the prodigal son’s father loved him but the son had to learn the hard lesson in order to be humbled. All will be humbled to see their need for God. God will subject all to Himself so that He may be all in all according to 1 Cor. 15.
Subjection means that someone’s will, will yield to another’s and that will is the will of the Sovereign God who will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. We believe in the complete victory of Jesus Christ over Satan and man's so called free will.
He knows what is best for us and He does not need our permission to humble all and restore all to Himself.
Now, He is calling us to come to Him. He is calling out a group of people to be His lights in the world, to manifest His great love for us by delivering us from the slavery to sin which has infected the creation.
Sin is the issue, not eternal hell.
And He will use His people to bless the rest.
Saving the firstfruits first does not mean that God does not love the rest of the harvest.
Love never fails.
God bless.
" When, therefore, it is said that God is angry with the wicked, we are to understand that His displeasure is manifested towards wickedness. He hates sin, while He loves the sinner. The evidence of this is abundant from the fact, that He so loved the world while it was yet lying in wickedness, that He sent His Son into the world to save sinners, because of His great love for them. " G. Amirault
1 John 2:2 Jesus "is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
Everyone receives salvation. Jesus will wash our not only our sins, but the sins of the whole world. That is, the entire world will believe in Christ and thus have all their sins washed away.
" When, therefore, it is said that God is angry with the wicked, we are to understand that His displeasure is manifested towards wickedness. He hates sin, while He loves the sinner. The evidence of this is abundant from the fact, that He so loved the world while it was yet lying in wickedness, that He sent His Son into the world to save sinners, because of His great love for them. " G. Amirault
Excellent quote from Gary Amirault, the founder of the Tentmaker site! His website was where I first became a Christian Universalist, that is, after I was saved by faith alone in Christ and became a Christian, I then went there to discover the truth that all people will be saved by faith alone in Christ.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes:
Here's another excellent quote that I found from Gary Amirault.
Having been in a great variety of churches which have taught a broad variety of doctrines, I am convinced of this: If you take one hundred people who have a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ and teach them that regardless of how many times you fail or fall short, He will never leave you nor forsake you, His love and power will ultimately reach everyone ever born under the sun, that there are consequences for sin, but that they are not eternal-if you encourage these people to conform to the image of their Savior, Who loves all mankind, they will begin to manifest the nature of the God they worship, a God of Love.
But if you take another group of people, some who have been genuinely converted mixed with others who have been compelled to join the church because they were convinced they were going to Hell if they didn't, and pound into them a list of do's and don'ts which must be maintained in order to stay on the good side of a God who will eternally torture them if they don't obey this set of rules, this group of people will also eventually manifest the nature of their god-a god who is a hypocrite who tells us to love our enemies, while He tortures His-a god who is a respecter of persons-a god of wrath.
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